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    1. Jon Pretty‏ @propensive 2 Jun 2020

      And everyone should attack racist and sexist ideas. They don't have a place in the Scala community or anywhere. But we don't defeat bad ideas by attributing them to the nearest lightning rod and attacking him as if he's a valid personification of them, when really he's not.

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    2. Jon Pretty‏ @propensive 2 Jun 2020

      I've seen it suggested John is a "Nazi-sympathizer" recently. This is bad enough, but what saddens me more is seeing people I respect, and who know better replying, liking, but passing over the chance to offer a correction; out of convenience. It's a first-degree lie of omission.

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    3. Jon Pretty‏ @propensive 2 Jun 2020

      Instead, attack the ideas themselves. Argue against racism, against sexism. Argue against homophobia and transphobia. If you're employing such weak proxies for those things as John de Goes, your zeal is doing a disservice to your cause. It is not getting you closer to your goals.

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    4. Jon Pretty‏ @propensive 2 Jun 2020

      People have asked me before, "why defend John?" My goal is not to defend John. I only want to do what I can to uphold the values I believe are important in the Scala community. For me, that means condemning any injustice to @Ryan_Signify or John, and equally to Jamie Allen too.

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    5. Noel Welsh‏ @noelwelsh 2 Jun 2020
      Replying to @propensive @Ryan_Signify

      I don't think thread is an accurate recollection of what occurred. You present moldbug @ LC as causing a small "disagreement", but this made the press (e.g. http://Inc.com  and boingboing both reported it.)

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    6. Noel Welsh‏ @noelwelsh 2 Jun 2020
      Replying to @noelwelsh @propensive @Ryan_Signify

      I don't see a meaningful difference between inviting a racist speaker and not rescinding that invitation once you become aware they are racist. Your wording suggests that LC was never aware of who moldbug was, which is false.

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    7. Jon Pretty‏ @propensive 3 Jun 2020
      Replying to @noelwelsh @Ryan_Signify

      Maybe there's not a huge meaningful difference, but the problem is this moral equivalence gets applied more than once. Is there a meaningful difference between inviting one racist speaker and inviting five?

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    8. Jon Pretty‏ @propensive 3 Jun 2020
      Replying to @propensive @noelwelsh @Ryan_Signify

      Is there a difference between a conference with five racist speakers, and a racist conference? Is there a difference between an organiser of a racist conference and a racist organiser of a conference? IS there a difference between a racist organiser and a nazi?

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    9. Jon Pretty‏ @propensive 3 Jun 2020
      Replying to @propensive @noelwelsh @Ryan_Signify

      This sort of repeated application of moral equivalence turns a supposedly-meaningless difference into something significant, and the greying of the lines between them serves nobody's interests. I want to stick to facts, and John did not invite any racist speaker to LambdaConf.

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    10. Adam Rosien‏ @arosien 3 Jun 2020
      Replying to @propensive @noelwelsh @Ryan_Signify

      he did not uninvite a racist speaker from lambdaconf. i have a problem with that.

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      Jon Pretty‏ @propensive 3 Jun 2020
      Replying to @arosien @noelwelsh @Ryan_Signify

      And I think the criticism stands on its own, without needing to deviate in its accuracy... That's my only point here. I could make a separate point that I agree it was a bad decision.

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        2. Jon Pretty‏ @propensive 3 Jun 2020
          Replying to @pvillega @arosien and

          In a judicial process, the accused should be judged on their crime. If they are a polite criminal or a rude criminal should make no difference. If people like them or dislike them should not impact their guilt or innocence.

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