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    1. Nicolas Rinaudo‏ @NicolasRinaudo 8 Mar 2020

      Had to work with some code I wrote a few years ago where I went maximally polymorphic for the hell of it - it was just as painful as when working with badly documented and poorly tested dynamically checked code.

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    2. Jon Pretty‏ @propensive 10 Mar 2020
      Replying to @NicolasRinaudo

      This might be true, but you probably have to revisit such code less frequently, and have less of it.

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    3. Nicolas Rinaudo‏ @NicolasRinaudo 10 Mar 2020
      Replying to @propensive

      Not sure which code you mean. I do have less maximally polymorphic code than just plain bad code. My argument is not against maximal polymorphism, but against unnecessary maximal polymorphism. Why abstract over something that is always going to be concrete?

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      Jon Pretty‏ @propensive 10 Mar 2020
      Replying to @NicolasRinaudo

      Because often the cost of developing the polymorphic version isn't high. When you write the concrete version, and you discover you need similar functionality again, you have a choice between generalizing the first one & updating its call site and writing a new concrete version.

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        2. Jon Pretty‏ @propensive 10 Mar 2020
          Replying to @propensive @NicolasRinaudo

          Both of those are less desirable than simply using the polymorphic version you wrote the first time. That's not to say premature generalization is always a good idea: it certainly isn't. But it's not a universal truth that you should do the minimal that solves today's problem.

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        3. Jon Pretty‏ @propensive 10 Mar 2020
          Replying to @propensive @NicolasRinaudo

          It really has to be a balancing act: how reusable can you make the first implementation? How likely is it that you'll need it? How difficult is it? How opaque will the implementation be?

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        2. Nicolas Rinaudo‏ @NicolasRinaudo 10 Mar 2020
          Replying to @propensive

          And that is precisely what I meant by premature optimisation: as soon as I know I need a function to be polymorphic, I make it polymorphic. Not before - not because it's hard to *write*, but because it piles up to something that will eventually be hard to *read*

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        3. Jon Pretty‏ @propensive 10 Mar 2020
          Replying to @NicolasRinaudo

          That's the problem, though: you may have to change the call site in another (unrelated) location now. You may have to make a breaking change to an API which would not have been necessary if you had written the generalized version from the outset.

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        2. Tom Wadeson‏ @tomwadeson 10 Mar 2020
          Replying to @propensive @NicolasRinaudo

          This is too often a hypothetical benefit, IME, and leads us open to claims of YAGNI. I find arguments for maximal polymorphism and/or abstraction on the grounds of precision much more compelling (and more useful in practice too!) <insert-Dijkstra-quote-here>

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        3. Jon Pretty‏ @propensive 10 Mar 2020
          Replying to @tomwadeson @NicolasRinaudo

          I certainly endorse those grounds. ;) But I think that being able to claim YAGNI confidently requires a lot of experience (or reading of tea leaves). There is a cost (in terms of technical debt) of being wrong...

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