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    1. Jon Pretty‏ @propensive 31 Jan 2020

      After today, I won't be an EU citizen. I'm very unhappy about this. I believe that no good will come of the UK leaving the EU. But I hope a lesson can be learned from the Brexit referendum and how it has been implemented, which can avoid a similar thing happening in Scotland.

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    2. Jon Pretty‏ @propensive 31 Jan 2020

      The idea of a referendum has its appeal: An opportunity to end decades of angry debate "once and for all" with a single question, and who better to make an important decision like this than all of the citizens of the UK?

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    3. Jon Pretty‏ @propensive 31 Jan 2020

      I empathize with the allure it must have had to David Cameron: at the time he decided to hold the referendum, very few people thought the UK would vote to leave, and he was fresh of the back of a successful rejection of Scottish independence. It was a great opportunity.

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    4. Jon Pretty‏ @propensive 31 Jan 2020

      But there was far too much riding on the outcome of a single day, a single choice, a single vote. Most legislation passes multiple times through the House of Commons and the House of Lords, amongst elected (mostly!) and well-informed (mostly!) officials

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    5. Jon Pretty‏ @propensive 31 Jan 2020

      Instead, the Brexit referendum was a single vote, widely open to manipulation from inside and outside the UK, and influenced by other irrelevant factors, such as dissatisfaction with the government of the day and unpredictable news events fresh in people's minds when they voted.

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    6. Jon Pretty‏ @propensive 31 Jan 2020

      To make a decision like this, with such dramatic economic and social implications (whether believed to be positive or negative) for so many people, for decades to come, was incredibly foolish.

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    7. Jon Pretty‏ @propensive 31 Jan 2020

      I don't believe that direct democracy is a good way of making decisions like this, but I accept that democracy is a broad set of compromises, and referenda are a valid form of national decision-making. But a decision of this importance should not pivot on a choice so frivolous.

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    8. Jon Pretty‏ @propensive 31 Jan 2020

      If the turmoil of British politics over the last four years have not provided sufficient evidence of it, we should learn, very clearly, that a referendum, no matter how likely victory seems, should not be the crux upon which complex decisions are made.

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    9. Jon Pretty‏ @propensive 31 Jan 2020

      But if referenda are to be used, then one should not be considered sufficient. So I would like to suggest an improvement on the Brexit referendum process. Here is what I think would have been a better approach:

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      Jon Pretty‏ @propensive 31 Jan 2020

      Firstly, a referendum on opening EU departure negotiations and holding a second referendum; then, if accepted, a second referendum on continuing negotiations towards a deal and holding a third referendum; then, if accepted, a third referendum on accepting the deal and leaving.

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        2. Jon Pretty‏ @propensive 31 Jan 2020

          The public would be able, at any referendum, to abort the process and maintain the status quo. By spreading the choice over several referenda and years, it would provide more time to debate the details, at the same time as those details are becoming increasingly concrete.

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        3. Jon Pretty‏ @propensive 31 Jan 2020

          The SNP, who have a lot of electoral authority within Scotland, are asking for an independence referendum. I support their right to choose independence, particularly given the changed status of the UK, and if the UK can't be an EU member, then I'd welcome Scottish independence.

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        4. Jon Pretty‏ @propensive 31 Jan 2020

          But the likely upheaval of a breakup of the Union is not a decision to be taken lightly, and the proponents of a second independence referendum are being utterly blind if they can't see the likely parallels with the Brexit referendum and the UK's departure from the EU.

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        5. Jon Pretty‏ @propensive 31 Jan 2020

          The choice for Scotland to leave the UK, which for now is quite an abstract idea, should not rest on a single referendum to a pliable electorate who don't know or understand what they're voting for. But If referenda are the way to make the choice, then they need more than one.

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