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    1. Jon Pretty‏ @propensive 6 Sep 2019

      As a consequence of the revocation of @jdegoes's talk at @scalaexchange, I have decided to decline the offer to speak there, and will not involve myself with any @skillsmatter events until there's a change to the way decisions like this are made. /1

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    2. Jon Pretty‏ @propensive 6 Sep 2019

      Furthermore, I do not support yesterday's action by @typelevel to ban @jdegoes from participation in their projects, either in this specific case, or for the precedent it sets (though I acknowledge it's their prerogative to do so). /2

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    3. Jon Pretty‏ @propensive 6 Sep 2019

      I was privileged to receive advance notification from @typelevel about @jdegoes's ban a day earlier, along with further information about the motivation and process leading up to the ban, which was not shared publicly. However, I dispute several of the assertions made. /3

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    4. Jon Pretty‏ @propensive 6 Sep 2019

      Firstly, strong claims are made that @jdegoes is deterring potential new contributors to @typelevel projects. The message I received offered evidence of @jdegoes's malfeasance, and cited three GitHub references. I took the time to read these in full and understand them. /4

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    5. Jon Pretty‏ @propensive 6 Sep 2019

      Given the free choice from @jdegoes's entire history on GitHub, the three references chosen as the best evidence of his bad online behavior were very weak. They are conversations which focus almost entirely on technical discussions. It reads like ordinary online communication. /5

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    6. Jon Pretty‏ @propensive 6 Sep 2019

      Here are the three references: https://github.com/typelevel/cats-effect/pull/556 … https://github.com/typelevel/cats-effect/issues/230 … https://github.com/typelevel/cats-effect/issues/93 … I recommend reading them and making a judgement on how "bad" they are. /6

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    7. Jon Pretty‏ @propensive 6 Sep 2019

      I have no doubt that in the context of months of tedious discussion with @jdegoes, over the same technical issues, that it could be genuinely frustrating for the participants of the discussion. The irritation felt by the contributors is genuine, and nobody should doubt that. /7

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    8. Jon Pretty‏ @propensive 6 Sep 2019

      But this irritation appears to be exclusively afflicting the existing clique of core Cats Effect maintainers. This is backed up by @typelevel's own argument that the draining experience of talking to @jdegoes online must be taken in the context of many months of interactions. /8

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    9. Jon Pretty‏ @propensive 6 Sep 2019

      This undermines the claim, made several times in the advance email I received, that @jdegoes is deterring *new* contributors, if the annoyance at his communication style can only be perceived after months of exposure to it. /9

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      Jon Pretty‏ @propensive 6 Sep 2019

      Instead, @jdegoes has developed a reputation for being "inspirational". I sense that even this can be a particular irritation if you don't like him, but there is ample evidence that @jdegoes has attracted many new contributors to Scala projects. /10

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        2. Jon Pretty‏ @propensive 6 Sep 2019

          So I find it disingenuous that @typelevel are presenting their own distaste at @jdegoes's online style as having "prevented countless other contributors from stepping forward for fear of reprisal..." This appears to be unfounded speculation. /11

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        3. Jon Pretty‏ @propensive 6 Sep 2019

          If you have a personal problem with @jdegoes, then damn well take ownership of your inability to work with a difficult person, rather than laying it at the door of unknown, unnamed hypothetical contributors. /12

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        4. Jon Pretty‏ @propensive 6 Sep 2019

          The claim has also been made repeatedly that @jdegoes has failed to change despite numerous warnings and criticism. As someone who has passed plenty of criticism onto @jdegoes, I have been looking avidly for just such a change. /13

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        5. Jon Pretty‏ @propensive 6 Sep 2019

          And there's plenty of evidence: If you watch videos of @jdegoes recorded after his keynote at @scalapeno_conf, you will struggle to find a single word or phrase to criticize. That's a change which came about in response to criticism. It's wilful blindness if you don't see it. /14

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        6. Jon Pretty‏ @propensive 6 Sep 2019

          Why does this make me so angry? I've just finished organizing Scala World, a conference of 250 attendees, who had a fantastic time meeting, discussing, learning and sharing ideas around the Scala language, upon which I've based my entire career. /15

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        7. Jon Pretty‏ @propensive 6 Sep 2019

          I've been working my arse off to try to bring people together for a few days of friendly collaboration, which I do for love, not for profit, as many other conference organizers do. @jdegoes was there, he enhanced the conference with his presence, and everyone had a good time. /16

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        8. Jon Pretty‏ @propensive 6 Sep 2019

          Despite this, the Scala community has developed a bad reputation for "drama". That's a reputation which @typelevel are well aware of, and which has been hugely damaging to the language: orders of magnitude more damaging than @jdegoes, before you even count his contributions. /17

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        9. Jon Pretty‏ @propensive 6 Sep 2019

          And yesterday's action against @jdegoes knowingly stokes this fire because a handful (and it is just a handful; not speculative hordes) of people can't work with @jdegoes. The action is divisive, selfish, and it's entirely predictable that few positives will come from it. /18

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        10. Jon Pretty‏ @propensive 6 Sep 2019

          Like me, @jdegoes earns a living through Scala. He's not going to "disappear" overnight, or stop his self-promotion any more than @lightbend are, because we all rely on it to be profitable, and anyone can see this. /19

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        11. Jon Pretty‏ @propensive 6 Sep 2019

          Scala is approaching an exciting but challenging period of change. We're about to get a whole host of new features which will enable us to write smarter, more elegant, more expressive code. We're at the forefront of technology, and it's going to be usable in Scala 3 soon. /20

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        12. Jon Pretty‏ @propensive 6 Sep 2019

          And yet, after these two coincidental actions against @jdegoes in as many days, for the first time in over a decade, I have found myself considering whether I really want to be a part of this community. After the enjoyment of Scala World, it's sobering and even depressing. /21

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        13. Jon Pretty‏ @propensive 6 Sep 2019

          As I already said, my entire career has been based around Scala. If the actions of @typelevel and @skillsmatter are making *me* reconsider that choice, then how do they look to a developer who hasn't invested nearly so much of their life into this language? /22

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        14. Jon Pretty‏ @propensive 6 Sep 2019

          But the actions are unlikely to be reversed. @typelevel will inevitably continue to do a lot of good work for the community, and I shall continue to support their positive contributions, though they shall be forever tainted by yesterday's self-indulgent decision. /23

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        15. Jon Pretty‏ @propensive 6 Sep 2019

          I can do no better than suggest that the best we can do is to move on quickly and hope, against expectation, that @typelevel and @jdegoes can coexist in the same community, and find the magnanimity not to tear it apart. /24

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