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    1. Celeste Horgan‏ @celeste_horgan 14 Aug 2019
      Replying to @celeste_horgan @djspiewak and

      In software dev you get threads like this which stipulate that estimation is dumb, and therefore it isn't your fault, and someone else should deal with it. Estimation *is* dumb, but it's a nessecary evil in a world where projects get executed based on the costs involved.

      1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
    2. Celeste Horgan‏ @celeste_horgan 14 Aug 2019
      Replying to @celeste_horgan @djspiewak and

      Estimating is stupid and a waste of time, but not estimating is irresponsible and puts your team members, particularly the ones responsible to answering to the rest of the business in a really difficult spot.

      1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
    3. Celeste Horgan‏ @celeste_horgan 14 Aug 2019
      Replying to @celeste_horgan @djspiewak and

      Not wanting to estimating exemplifies what other people absolutely hate about working with software devs: a total lack of empathy for anyone but themselves and their own needs, and a childish attitude when inconvenicing everyone else because it suits their work style to do so

      4 replies 0 retweets 1 like
    4. Daniel Spiewak‏ @djspiewak 15 Aug 2019
      Replying to @celeste_horgan @fanf42 and

      While I think there’s a lot of truth in this tweet, it’s quite overgeneralized. It’s also important to remember that software really does have things that are provably insanely hard on fundamental levels. Not just hard for an individual but hard for the whole universe.

      1 reply 0 retweets 3 likes
    5.  🅿🆁🅴- 🅿 🅰🅲‏ @prepac 15 Aug 2019
      Replying to @djspiewak @celeste_horgan and

      Other industries don't do difficult stuff?

      3 replies 0 retweets 1 like
    6. Daniel Spiewak‏ @djspiewak 15 Aug 2019
      Replying to @prepac @celeste_horgan and

      When an engineer is asked to build a bridge spanning 100km, they simply say “no” and people believe. Software developers are asked to do the equivalent of this (and more) on a regular basis, and “no” is not accepted. Not every project, not every day, but more often than you think

      5 replies 10 retweets 26 likes
    7. Celeste Horgan‏ @celeste_horgan 16 Aug 2019
      Replying to @djspiewak @prepac and

      v. fair. I think that people have an inherent understanding of bridge building and can look at a 100km span and go "no freakin' way", whereas software is this huge unknown. It doesn't help that software ppl regularly say software is"magic" and that "you can do anything" w/it.

      1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
    8. Celeste Horgan‏ @celeste_horgan 16 Aug 2019
      Replying to @celeste_horgan @djspiewak and

      But this (as a docs person) – boils down to communication skills, and why I strongly believe the best sr. engineers aren't 10x engineers but really good communicators.

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    9. Celeste Horgan‏ @celeste_horgan 16 Aug 2019
      Replying to @celeste_horgan @djspiewak and

      If you can't explain to stakeholders why smth is impossible in words they can understand, then you can't dispel unreasonable assumptions. It's possible to talk about software in non-technical terms. It's possible to break down technical topics, i.e. db txns, into simple english

      3 replies 0 retweets 2 likes
    10. Daniel Spiewak‏ @djspiewak 16 Aug 2019
      Replying to @celeste_horgan @prepac and

      This. So very much this.

      1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
      Jon Pretty‏ @propensive 16 Aug 2019
      Replying to @djspiewak @celeste_horgan and

      Do you (or @celeste_horgan) not find that stakeholders are often unwilling to understand involved explanations, even if they are simple, because (paraphrasing) it's "not their job"? Even a good, understandable explanation to a layperson can be much longer than one between devs.

      6:29 AM - 16 Aug 2019
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        2. Tpol Chico‏ @tpolecat 16 Aug 2019
          Replying to @propensive @djspiewak and

          Code is itself a specification for machine execution, so at some level of detail the act of explaining what a program should do is indistinguishable from just writing the damn thing. I find the level of detail problem really hard.

          2 replies 1 retweet 5 likes
        3. CoreyOConnor‏ @QueueQueueHack 16 Aug 2019
          Replying to @tpolecat @propensive and

          I have used that explanation to defend against requests for "exact" specifications successfully. I apply a strategy of partitioning "specs" into conceptual, logical and physical. Which works well to determine what and how much to provide to stakeholders. Still difficult tho!

          0 replies 0 retweets 2 likes
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        1. François Armand‏ @fanf42 16 Aug 2019
          Replying to @propensive @djspiewak and

          as said elsewhere, there need to be reciprocal trust. And also, reaching the goal (whatever it is) is a team play. So actually, it *is* their job to understand enough to be able to do their part efficiently. If they are not willing, well... That doesn't look like a working team

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