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    1. Tpol Chico‏ @tpolecat 18 Jul 2019
      Replying to @rit @milessabin

      tl;dw you can generate values of some unknown type along with evidence that the type is a monoid or whatever, but without knowing or caring what the type is

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    2. Miles Sabin‏ @milessabin 18 Jul 2019
      Replying to @tpolecat @rit

      I want randomly generated, possibly recursive, data types as inputs for type class derivation.

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    3. Miles Sabin‏ @milessabin 18 Jul 2019
      Replying to @milessabin @tpolecat @rit

      AIUI @d6 technique is "suppose I have some unknown type T with along instances of F[T], G[T] etc. ...". OTOH, I want to generate types T, U, V ... then derive instances of F for them. That means I need the structure of the types, they can't be completely opaque.

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    4.  🔴 Lars Hupel‏ @larsr_h 18 Jul 2019
      Replying to @milessabin @tpolecat and

      This sounds super interesting. Maybe if the type class being witnessed is itself `Arbitrary`, this could work?

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    5. Miles Sabin‏ @milessabin 18 Jul 2019
      Replying to @larsr_h @tpolecat and

      Well, ideally Arbitrary would be one of the F's we can derive instances of! The guts of my problem is a finite tree/graph generation problem. The tricky bit is mapping those into types which can feed into derivation infrastructure.

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    6. Jerry Swan‏ @DrEigenbastard 18 Jul 2019
      Replying to @milessabin @larsr_h and

      Presumably the actual combinatorics of this are well-understood, and it's the technicalities of performing the mapping in Scala that are the issue?

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    7. Miles Sabin‏ @milessabin 18 Jul 2019
      Replying to @DrEigenbastard @larsr_h and

      Exactly. We need to generate types which can feed into downstream compilation. It's doable with current mechanisms, but clunky and very time consuming.

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    8.  💙 𝗖𝗵𝗮𝗻𝗻𝗶𝗻𝗴 Walton‏ @channingwalton 19 Jul 2019
      Replying to @milessabin @DrEigenbastard and

      So, I have an idea but it’s really horrible and you’re all going to question my sanity. And it’s probably wrong too. This is for tests, so generate source prior to compilation that will be compiled with the tests. Your generator can pick from the randomly generated types.

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    9.  🔴 Lars Hupel‏ @larsr_h 19 Jul 2019
      Replying to @channingwalton @milessabin and

      Code generation always works, but why would we do that when we could also crack this nut with a sledgehammer 😁

      1 reply 0 retweets 3 likes
    10. Miles Sabin‏ @milessabin 19 Jul 2019
      Replying to @larsr_h @channingwalton and

      Well, we need something fancier if we want to be able to shrink counterexamples.

      4 replies 0 retweets 1 like
      Jon Pretty‏ @propensive 19 Jul 2019
      Replying to @milessabin @larsr_h and

      If I understood @channingwalton's suggestion correctly, he's proposing to codegen a large variety of types in a single compilation, then have ScalaCheck from amongst them, which would be much faster than generating them on demand, running the compiler once for each.

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        2. Jon Pretty‏ @propensive 19 Jul 2019
          Replying to @propensive @milessabin and

          At the very least, you could generate them in batches of, say 100.

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        3. Miles Sabin‏ @milessabin 19 Jul 2019
          Replying to @propensive @larsr_h and

          Right, but the stretch goal is to shrink counterexamples ... that doesn't fit so comfortably into a batch mode.

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        1.  💙 𝗖𝗵𝗮𝗻𝗻𝗶𝗻𝗴 Walton‏ @channingwalton 19 Jul 2019
          Replying to @propensive @milessabin and

          Yes, I’m also suggesting generating examples on the fly, compile them, and load them via classloader magic, whilst running the tests - no idea how feasible that is. Perhaps the counter examples and shrinking could be done that way. Sounds very time consuming though.

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