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    1. Jon Pretty‏ @propensive 16 Apr 2019

      Jon Pretty Retweeted Erik Bernhardsson

      I'm glad @fulhack wrote this clear analysis about estimating software projects. It maybe needs another explanation about why the mean and median completion time for software development tasks are so different, so here's my take. (1/4)https://twitter.com/fulhack/status/1117968632536010754 …

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      Erik Bernhardsson @fulhack
      Why software projects take longer than you think – a statistical model https://erikbern.com/2019/04/15/why-software-projects-take-longer-than-you-think-a-statistical-model.html … (blog post)
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    2. Jon Pretty‏ @propensive 16 Apr 2019

      Unlike almost any other production task or industry, software development seeks solutions which are, at their most basic, repeatable; at best, highly abstract and general. One solution can be reused thousands or billions of times for almost zero cost. (2/4)

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    3. Jon Pretty‏ @propensive 16 Apr 2019

      All the tasks which can be completed using known solutions, no matter how large they seem, will be competed quickly. So what's left after that? It might be a small part of the total, but it will need new solutions, working things out for the first time; all the unknowns. (3/4)

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      Jon Pretty‏ @propensive 16 Apr 2019

      So that's where almost all the time is spent: tasks that you've never solved before. And how do you estimate them, when you have no data? It's at best a guess. (4/4)

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        2. Cons Dubai‏ @dxbcons68 16 Apr 2019
          Replying to @propensive

          So 10% of the project original schedule will take 90% of the actual time, there is some old joke about that

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        3. Jon Pretty‏ @propensive 16 Apr 2019
          Replying to @dxbcons68

          Yes. You can pick your n% and (100 - n)% as necessary.

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        2. Mat Fournier‏ @mat4nier 16 Apr 2019
          Replying to @propensive

          No different than my experience in (big, many $$ millions) construction projects. I would have to estimate schedules/costs/materials with little data/requirements then do it. There is a rich literature on time/cost overruns in complex projects and software is no snowflake here

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        3. Jon Pretty‏ @propensive 16 Apr 2019
          Replying to @mat4nier

          But construction projects don't have the feature that the majority of the perceived work is basically free, as it often is in software. Even the very worst overrun construction projects, like Berlin-Brandenburg Airport, aren't more that 5x over schedule...

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        1. François Armand‏ @fanf42 16 Apr 2019
          Replying to @propensive

          one of my teachers was presenting things like that: the role of information technology is to automate things. So either the thing was already automated, and you can estimate but don't need to. Or it neither was, and you don't have the least idea of why and how much it will take

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        1. SwiftCase‏ @swiftcaseUK 16 Apr 2019
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          I wrote a recent article on just thishttps://www.swiftcase.co.uk/blog/article/why-your-estimates-are-a-disaster-and-how-to-do-it-right …

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