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    1. Jon Pretty‏ @propensive 2 Feb 2019

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      I'm not sure I agree with this generalization. Having more first-class constructs means that—unless they're truly orthogonal—language designers and users both have to deal with the interactions between them. Implementing new constructs by composing existing ones is far superior. https://twitter.com/jdegoes/status/1091678739589545985 …

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    3. soc‏ @oxnrtr 3 Feb 2019
      Replying to @jdegoes @propensive

      My approach is to replace them all with modules. I think the remaining issue is purely syntactical: How to decide whether "module foo" in the first line is a "module declaration" or a module with no contents? Multiple options, including making the line mandatory, or adding {}.

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      Jon Pretty‏ @propensive 3 Feb 2019
      Replying to @oxnrtr @jdegoes

      I'm not convinced that the openness of packages is as useful in Scala as in Java, except for separate compilation. Everything else we do that requires packages to be open could be done other ways. Then we could lose packages, and package objects wouldn't need to exist either

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        1. Jon Pretty‏ @propensive 3 Feb 2019
          Replying to @propensive @oxnrtr @jdegoes

          Anyway, that's entirely speculative. I don't think they're going anywhere!

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        2. soc‏ @oxnrtr 3 Feb 2019
          Replying to @propensive @jdegoes

          "One (public) class per file" was quite annoying in Java. I don't think the idea of "all classes in a package go into a single file" will go down well: Either devs would create spurious "packages" so that they can place different types in different files, or: huge source files.

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        3. Jon Pretty‏ @propensive 3 Feb 2019
          Replying to @oxnrtr @jdegoes

          Oh, I wasn't proposing that. There would still need to be a way to do separate compilation, with the same "object" or "package" still potentially split across several files. But its entire contents would be statically known.

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        2. Yawar Amin‏ @yawaramin 3 Feb 2019
          Replying to @propensive @oxnrtr @jdegoes

          Package openness is pretty useful, e.g. when you want to publish http://propensive.foo  and http://propensive.bar  packages from separate repos

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        3. soc‏ @oxnrtr 5 Feb 2019
          Replying to @yawaramin @propensive @jdegoes

          I think there is a tension depending on whether your namespace is nested (e. g. Scala) or not (e. g. Java), but I think there is nothing that prevents publishing things as separate modules in practice.

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