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Supporting Scala through professional training and open-source software. Responsible for Magnolia, Fury, Scala World and Functional Africa.

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    1. Jon Pretty‏ @propensive 16 Jan 2019
      Replying to @PLT_cheater @ugobourdon and

      Sorry, I don't get the reference... sorry (genuinely) if it was a lazy equivalence. I did actually think twice about it...

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    2. Boltzmann Brain Think Tank‏ @PLT_cheater 16 Jan 2019
      Replying to @propensive @ugobourdon and

      there was a false dichotomy. when presented with two unjust options, the third option is always to fight for justice. that's why smarmy "tips" on how to make friends and influence people for someone bullied are a farce when you could be spending this time shouting at bullies.

      1 reply 1 retweet 1 like
    3. Jon Pretty‏ @propensive 16 Jan 2019
      Replying to @PLT_cheater @ugobourdon and

      Ok, so I'd agree that the equivalence of my Brexit example to @fpmortals's situation might have been a stretch. But what about when you can reasonably predict the expected outcome of that third option of fighting for justice?

      1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
    4. Jon Pretty‏ @propensive 16 Jan 2019
      Replying to @propensive @PLT_cheater and

      My implication being that you're guaranteed to lose.

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    5. Jon Pretty‏ @propensive 16 Jan 2019
      Replying to @propensive @PLT_cheater and

      I'm also concerned that "shouting at the bullies" makes the whole environment more unpleasant for all the innocent bystanders. I have much more interest in having them know that it's a friendly place.

      1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
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    7. Dimitar Georgiev‏ @dgeorgiev_bg 17 Jan 2019

      What good is a discussion community anyways, if being presented with opinions one disagrees with results in the discussion being shut down. If this is r/scala (I don't hang around there), it's useless?

      2 replies 1 retweet 1 like
    8. Jon Pretty‏ @propensive 17 Jan 2019
      Replying to @dgeorgiev_bg @PLT_cheater and

      I don't hang out there either, but I think having conversations shut down is still very rare.

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    9. Boltzmann Brain Think Tank‏ @PLT_cheater 17 Jan 2019
      Replying to @propensive @dgeorgiev_bg and

      that's bad in its own right, a healthy community gets a whole lot of trolls, and shutting those conversations down is part of taking care of the community.

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    10. Jon Pretty‏ @propensive 17 Jan 2019
      Replying to @PLT_cheater @dgeorgiev_bg and

      Unfortunately, it's very hard to distinguish between trolling behaviour and good faith. It requires a lot of context. In @fpmortals's case, there are people convinced both ways. There's nothing clearcut about it when different people think it's clearcut in two different ways.

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
      Jon Pretty‏ @propensive 17 Jan 2019
      Replying to @propensive @PLT_cheater and

      I think we agree, at least, that being a moderator is hard, though.

      5:49 AM - 17 Jan 2019
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        1. Boltzmann Brain Think Tank‏ @PLT_cheater 17 Jan 2019
          Replying to @propensive @dgeorgiev_bg and

          Boltzmann Brain Think Tank Retweeted Jon Pretty

          i disagree. it's much easier to tell with experience. if it's not clear even then, fall back on a set of clear, actionable rules, built in a conservative manner (i.e. very forgiving).https://twitter.com/propensive/status/1085896682053619712 …

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          Jon Pretty @propensive
          Replying to @PLT_cheater @dgeorgiev_bg and 5 others
          Unfortunately, it's very hard to distinguish between trolling behaviour and good faith. It requires a lot of context. In @fpmortals's case, there are people convinced both ways. There's nothing clearcut about it when different people think it's clearcut in two different ways.
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        2. Boltzmann Brain Think Tank‏ @PLT_cheater 17 Jan 2019
          Replying to @PLT_cheater @propensive and

          part of this experience is shutting down a LOT of conversations, often in a soft way (eg just saying "stop that" or even asking politely to reconsider). When you use that skillset very sporadically, you get very bad at it.

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