Jon Pretty

I am advocating for that, though you're stretching the moral equivalence a little. I'm not saying I believe it's right or ideal, but in the absence of something which is, I'm saying that if he needs to be aware of the way the forums seem to operate, if he wants that audience.

that, too, is not good enough.

I'm just describing what I see, and trying to suggest the best way people can make the most progress with what we have. I would be fully supportive of anything which improves it, but for as long as that doesn't exist, I'm trying to find the best way to work with what's there.

you're right. and those with a deeper skin tone should ride at the back of the bus, because they want to get to their destination as efficiently as possible. jeez.

Again, this is stretching the moral equivalence, but I would not consider someone selfish for choosing the easier option of riding in their segregated seat because, say, they need to get the bus to work to earn money to feed their family.

and this is where you're not getting this

Can you persevere, please? I know we're arguing, but I am actually interested in getting somewhere.

human dignity is essentially worth a thousand times more than a cup of soup. people can be lulled into thinking otherwise, but everyone wakes up to this inevitably.