Jon Pretty

All I'm saying is, *given* that this is the reality (and it is, the evidence is that @fpmortals got banned again), there are ways he could behave differently to avoid it happening again. I'm not trying to justify anything. I'm not trying to fix forums or moderation for everyone.

I don't believe cars should be dangerous. I support anything which makes them safer. But I still advocate wearing a seatbelt when you're in one.

What you're advocating for here is that @fpmortals accepts his bullying and acts like a convenient little user with a properly policed voice. That's not a seatbelt, it's a whip.

I am advocating for that, though you're stretching the moral equivalence a little. I'm not saying I believe it's right or ideal, but in the absence of something which is, I'm saying that if he needs to be aware of the way the forums seem to operate, if he wants that audience.

that, too, is not good enough.

I'm just describing what I see, and trying to suggest the best way people can make the most progress with what we have. I would be fully supportive of anything which improves it, but for as long as that doesn't exist, I'm trying to find the best way to work with what's there.

If I'm presented with the choice between "Hard Brexit" or "The EU's Brexit Deal", I choose the one I think is least bad, even though I know there's a much better option which isn't available to me. I can complain about it, but it doesn't change the choice I'm offered.