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    1. Jon Pretty‏ @propensive 16 Jan 2019
      Replying to @PLT_cheater @ugobourdon and

      I think the job can't be handed to just anyone, though. There needs to be sufficient trust in the moderator for them to have the authority to do the job, and that can only be established over time. It's also easier to give someone the job of moderator than to take it away.

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    2. Boltzmann Brain Think Tank‏ @PLT_cheater 16 Jan 2019
      Replying to @propensive @ugobourdon and

      How would you know, have you recruited for moderators in enough capacity to handle situations like the above in competent manner? Where are the calls for applications? Where is your documented moderator process? It's easy to sit in an armchair and repeat "too hard, can't be done"

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    3. Boltzmann Brain Think Tank‏ @PLT_cheater 16 Jan 2019
      Replying to @PLT_cheater @propensive and

      it's especially easy to blame nebulous difficulties and human failings when it's a convenient excuse for the continued dysfunction of an organisation which is given considerable power in the community. Which I am saying you are doing right now, just to be clear.

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    4. Jon Pretty‏ @propensive 16 Jan 2019
      Replying to @PLT_cheater @ugobourdon and

      Which organisation are you talking about here? I think the only organisation involved was Reddit...

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    5. Jon Pretty‏ @propensive 16 Jan 2019
      Replying to @propensive @PLT_cheater and

      Anyway, I tried to say this before, but I'm not defending the actions of the moderators. I'm explaining why we shouldn't be surprised that things like this happen. I don't know how Reddit choose moderators.

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    6. Boltzmann Brain Think Tank‏ @PLT_cheater 16 Jan 2019
      Replying to @propensive @ugobourdon and

      your rationalization isn't true. I've been running online communities for a couple decades, and every time something like this happens, someone who has no experience in this pops up and starts throwing around exactly the arguments you have been using. They're red herrings.

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    7. Jon Pretty‏ @propensive 16 Jan 2019
      Replying to @PLT_cheater @ugobourdon and

      Which part of my rationalization? I think you might be misinterpreting the strength of any claims I'm making.

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    8. Jon Pretty‏ @propensive 16 Jan 2019
      Replying to @propensive @PLT_cheater and

      All I'm saying is, *given* that this is the reality (and it is, the evidence is that @fpmortals got banned again), there are ways he could behave differently to avoid it happening again. I'm not trying to justify anything. I'm not trying to fix forums or moderation for everyone.

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    9. Jon Pretty‏ @propensive 16 Jan 2019
      Replying to @propensive @PLT_cheater and

      I don't believe cars should be dangerous. I support anything which makes them safer. But I still advocate wearing a seatbelt when you're in one.

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    10. Boltzmann Brain Think Tank‏ @PLT_cheater 16 Jan 2019
      Replying to @propensive @ugobourdon and

      What you're advocating for here is that @fpmortals accepts his bullying and acts like a convenient little user with a properly policed voice. That's not a seatbelt, it's a whip.

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      Jon Pretty‏ @propensive 16 Jan 2019
      Replying to @PLT_cheater @ugobourdon and

      I am advocating for that, though you're stretching the moral equivalence a little. I'm not saying I believe it's right or ideal, but in the absence of something which is, I'm saying that if he needs to be aware of the way the forums seem to operate, if he wants that audience.

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        2. Jon Pretty‏ @propensive 16 Jan 2019
          Replying to @propensive @PLT_cheater and

          I'm not saying it doesn't suck. And maybe he cares more about justice being served when he's been maligned. But if he actually had good points to make (and he did), he could have made them in ways which were more acceptable to the moderators.

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        2. Boltzmann Brain Think Tank‏ @PLT_cheater 16 Jan 2019
          Replying to @propensive @ugobourdon and

          that, too, is not good enough.

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        3. Jon Pretty‏ @propensive 16 Jan 2019
          Replying to @PLT_cheater @ugobourdon and

          I'm just describing what I see, and trying to suggest the best way people can make the most progress with what we have. I would be fully supportive of anything which improves it, but for as long as that doesn't exist, I'm trying to find the best way to work with what's there.

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