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    1. Jon Pretty‏ @propensive 15 Jan 2019

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      I think this is failing to understand, once again, that people simply don't behave as perfect, omniscient, objective moral arbiters. They simply get tired of things they perceive as negative, regardless of whether they're justified or factual. https://t.co/5NY8UOPCi6 

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    2. Jon Pretty‏ @propensive 15 Jan 2019

      I think that you have to go to great lengths to make yourself clear to a heterogeneous audience to avoid being misinterpreted by at least some part of that audience. It's difficult, but if you have a point you believe in, it's your duty to be persuasive: you owe it to your cause.

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    3. Jon Pretty‏ @propensive 15 Jan 2019

      It seems delusional to pretend we're talking only to well-informed logicians, so we should lower all our expectations on how convincing we can be when making any point at all to a large audience. This new online world is, for better or worse, making politicians of all of us.

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    4. Jon Pretty‏ @propensive 15 Jan 2019

      So if you have an argument to make, you need to decide whether you care about that more than just being right—your "ego", if you like—and if you do, try to empathize with every corner of your audience to persuade them.

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    5. Jon Pretty‏ @propensive 15 Jan 2019

      Blocking and banning are pretty blunt tools for dealing with issues like this, but I can see the appeal to moderators: if they perceive negativity, they get a switch to turn it off and increase net positivity in the forum. But it also has the potential to exacerbate the problem.

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    6. Josh Suereth‏ @jsuereth 16 Jan 2019
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      I think it's more the case that's there are few other tools you can use. Especially for repeat offenders. At some point you need to ban. My early mod days were far too lenient and I regret that now. (I was not a mod in your example)

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    7. Jon Pretty‏ @propensive 16 Jan 2019
      Replying to @jsuereth

      I'd like the "tool" to be dialog for much longer, though... banning someone is disproportionately easy to do, and involves no empathy. Talking to someone, hearing their side, and letting them hear yours is *much* more likely to have a net positive outcome.

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    8. Josh Suereth‏ @jsuereth 16 Jan 2019
      Replying to @propensive

      You might not know how much background dialog there was. For me it was usually 10x the public dialog.

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      Jon Pretty‏ @propensive 16 Jan 2019
      Replying to @jsuereth

      That doesn't surprise me in the slightest... in this particular example, there was no offline dialog. (@fpmortals doesn't even know who the moderators are). When he was banned on Gitter before, there was probably 100x more private dialog between a dozen people or more...

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