I'll put it to you, Twitter:
Should @ezraklein and I do a podcast together?
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Replying to @SamHarrisOrg @ezraklein
Maybe the debate should focus on the scientific common ground that is beyond any serious dispute: there are mean phenotypic IQ differences across human groups, regardless of their origin. They exist in every multi-group society. What should we do about them?
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One place to start for common scientific ground: the 1996 APA blue-ribbon panel that made a strong consensus statement on IQ research, almost all of which remains valid today: https://www.mensa.ch/sites/default/files/Intelligence_Neisser1996.pdf …
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Ezra shouldn't say anything at all about race & IQ if he can't even engage with a blue-ribbon consensus report from the leading psychology association that's specifically written for science journalists to summarize the research in the wake of 'The Bell Curve' debate.
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Replying to @primalpoly @nedlysningen and
Yes. The debate should focus on what policies should be instituted in light of the evidence. I would also be curious to hear their takes on what percentage of IQ differences they believe are attributable to environmental vs genetic factors (it is clear both exist).
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Replying to @2ang7 @nedlysningen and
I think the genes vs. environment debate on sources of IQ differences across groups is tricky, since all good scientists (inc. Murray) agree that we just don't know yet, and all speculation will be ideologically biased. We'll have better genomic data within a decade though...
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Replying to @primalpoly @nedlysningen and
Agreed, but where you fall on that spectrum implicitly shapes the policy recommendations which, at the end of the day, are the most societally important consequences of this field. I think at least estimating your place on that spectrum is an important exercise.
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Replying to @2ang7 @nedlysningen and
But Murray's key point in Bell Curve was that most policy issues about IQ don't really depend on the nature/nurture issue; he stayed resolutely agnostic about it, even as he made policy recommendations. It might be a red herring, for current purposes.
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Replying to @primalpoly @nedlysningen and
I’m no expert in the field. I would have thought the nature/nurture issue would have profound implications for how policy should be shaped. Any recommendations on what to look at when determining what should be key considerations for shaping policy?
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A key issue is, given that IQ varies between people, and is stable and predictive of outcomes and learning abilities, how should American education deal with cognitive variation? More streaming? More testing? Different teaching styles? Better vocational education? School choice?
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Replying to @primalpoly @nedlysningen and
Sure. Makes sense. I think a key emotional problem in this debate is folks on the left hear “IQ differences are at least partially explainable by genetics” and translate that into fears over those who claim nature plays a role as “we should not allocate resources towards (1/3
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Replying to @2ang7 @primalpoly and
bridging that gap.” If instead of nature versus nurture, and folks on the left/right hearing “we should allocate resources to solving this or not,” we could reshape the debate to “we should absolutely allocate resources regardless of nature vs nurture, and resources should be 2/3
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