Yeah, but the 'grow civilization' part is important here.
The point of pronatalism isn't to make babies. The point is to make future adults who can grow civilization, live good lives, and make good lives in turn.
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Would you counsel antinatalism to those whose progeny are unlikely to grow civilization?
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And the point of antinatalism is the suffering cost is too great and we underestimate the badness of all lives and the frequency of very bad lives. Please read Benatar - especially The Human Predicament.
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I've read it; I think his arguments are totally circular and illogical. He just assumes all lives have net negative utility, and then concludes that all lives have net negative utility. There's no evidence, just pessimistic bias.
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What the antinatalists don't get: network effects are at work between humans. The marginal extra brain adds more value than the mouth below it consumes. Plus every new human is a lottery ticket for an Elon Musk, Isaac Newton or Steven Pinker who adds the equivalent of millions.
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Good argument right down the middle to be had that we're way behind in utilization of the billions of "lottery tickets" walking around in Africa and Asia. If you want more value creators and to address global-scale problems that's a better place to focus.
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Why don't people understand this? Childhood is a flash. The point is to raise healthy, functioning adults.
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People terrified of the infant/child stage. It goes so fast. It doesn't last - at all.
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Eventually, you will be 70. Talk to 70 year olds. What will they tell you is the most fulfilling part of their lives? They'll speak of their children and grandchildren. Modern life is long, work put in early on is paid back many times over. Continuity gives life meaning.
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Anecdotes aren’t evidence, talk to someone raising kids in challenging circumstances. There are more rewarding and important things to do in life than reproduce.
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