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Psychology professor; wrote The Mating Mind, Spent, Mate, & Virtue Signaling. Agnostic centrist into evolution, sex, sentience, freedom & future.

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    1. Robin Hanson‏Verified account @robinhanson 29 Oct 2019
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      "among America’s 83 million Millennials, 24 million are sympathetic to poly ideals, 17 million have tried poly, and 4 million are currently poly—compared to 3 million who are gay/lesbian." Yes, it is more worth discussing because it is more common.https://quillette.com/2019/10/28/polyamory-is-growing-and-we-need-to-get-serious-about-it/ …

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    2. Robin Hanson‏Verified account @robinhanson 29 Oct 2019
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      "without having good role models, social norms, sexual scripts, or social support … Poly also lacks the legal status of being a protected minority, … open relationships incentivize people to stay healthy, fit, creative, and funny, because they’re always in the mating market."

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    3. Robin Hanson‏Verified account @robinhanson 29 Oct 2019
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      "the only societies that have ever succeeded in becoming large-scale technological civilizations were the ones that adopted monogamous marriage as the gold standard for long-term pair bonds and family formation."

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    4. Robin Hanson‏Verified account @robinhanson 29 Oct 2019
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      He says not need monogamy now re paternal certainty, STD cuts, & male sex inequality. "Many polyamorous people get married and raise kids. They can take advantage of all the commitment devices that help maintain long-term pair bonds, without buying into the sexual exclusivity."

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    5. Robin Hanson‏Verified account @robinhanson 29 Oct 2019
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      That's the key point that seems implausible to me. Sex tends to create emotional bonds, crowding out other bonds. Poly folks might be selected for weaker such effects, but the sign of such effects seem pretty universal to me.

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    6. Geoffrey Miller‏Verified account @primalpoly 29 Oct 2019
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      This all depends on whether you think emotional bonds are zero sum. I mention the problem in discussing time & resource trade-offs. IMHO if we can love more than one kid, have more than one friend, etc., we might be able to sustain more than one relationship...

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    7. Robin Hanson‏Verified account @robinhanson 29 Oct 2019
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      As I said, I think sex-induced bonds crowd each other out. That's not quite the same as zero sum, but has the relevant effects here. Even if we can sustain more than one sex relation, they will each be weaker than they otherwise would be if exclusive.

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    8. Geoffrey Miller‏Verified account @primalpoly 29 Oct 2019
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      Replying to @robinhanson

      I'm just not convinced that exclusivity typically makes for stronger relationships, at least not across all the distributions of individual differences traits. Poly couples _can_, sometimes, have forms of connection and honesty that monogamist couples often can't imagine.

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    9. Anti-Gnostic‏ @Anti_Gnostic 29 Oct 2019
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      How many women are you currently sexually active with, and how many men are your partners sexually active with, and how many pregnancies are involved?

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      Geoffrey Miller‏Verified account @primalpoly 29 Oct 2019
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      Replying to @Anti_Gnostic @robinhanson

      Why on God's green Earth would I answer any of these questions from an anonymous Twitter account I don't know? Dude.

      12:44 PM - 29 Oct 2019
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        1. Anti-Gnostic‏ @Anti_Gnostic 29 Oct 2019
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          I think that underscores why polyamory is probably an awful idea for all but a very small group of people.

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