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Psychology professor; wrote The Mating Mind, Spent, Mate, & Virtue Signaling. Agnostic centrist into evolution, sex, sentience, freedom & future.

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    1. Richard Ngo‏ @RichardMCNgo 19 Sep 2019
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      Why didn't we evolve to have our brains encased in our chests? Many advantages: less vulnerable, closer to blood supply, closer to muscles, makes head more maneuverable. Yet I can't think of any animals like this, so it must have major downsides. Longer optic nerves, perhaps?

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    2. Cullen, Still Social Distancing‏ @Cullen_OK 19 Sep 2019
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      There seem to be significant efficiencies to having sensory organs concentrated near brains. Maybe @Ilex_ulmus or @primalpoly has thoughts.

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      Geoffrey Miller‏Verified account @primalpoly 19 Sep 2019
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      I thought a lot about this issue in grad school, and even tried some genetic algorithm simulations of sense, brain, and body configurations. It's all about nerve conduction velocities, IMHO. Makes sense to centralize senses and CNS in a head wrapped around a mouth. Way faster!

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        2. Nick Tippett‏ @mad_gnatter 23 Oct 2019
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          If you don't know why something is, start by figuring that out before you try to figure out the "why it's not" questions. The correct question is: "Why is or brain in our head?" Not "Why isn't it in our gut?" Also, we already have a brain in our gut.

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        3. Richard Ngo‏ @RichardMCNgo 25 Oct 2019
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          I disagree. It's easy to construct just-so stories about why things turned out a certain way. But if you could have come up with similarly compelling stories no matter how things turned out, then the explanation is weak. For more on this see:https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/5JDkW4MYXit2CquLs/your-strength-as-a-rationalist …

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        2. Joshua Ebner‏ @Josh_Ebner 22 Oct 2019
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          Yeah ... it seems like the whole system is optimized for fast processing time. Shortest connections from high input sensory systems (eyes, ears) to the central processor.

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        3. Joshua Ebner‏ @Josh_Ebner 22 Oct 2019
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          Sort of like algorithmic, high frequency traders wanting close proximity to Manhattan for shortest physical connection distance.

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        2. Lea Nael‏ @LeaNaelAuthor 22 Oct 2019
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          I love geeky questions. Signal velocity shouldn’t be an issue for smaller animals and I don’t see small animals with brain in chest.

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        2. Lea Nael‏ @LeaNaelAuthor 22 Oct 2019
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          But I do agree with better though put argument nonetheless: octopus does have “2nd” brains in their tentacles.

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        3. Tweetledumb‏ @xueshang 23 Oct 2019
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          Does octopus have a chest?

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        1. Tweetledumb‏ @xueshang 23 Oct 2019
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          And nose?

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        1. Josh Cohn‏ @joshcohn 23 Oct 2019
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          Yes, also there must be path-dependence. The emergence of most animal heads goes back to the split of tunicates and lancelets from other chordates. So a lot depends on the contingency that all vertebrates come from a common ancestor who had a head. Tho convergent evolution also.

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