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Psychology professor; wrote The Mating Mind, Spent, Mate, & Virtue Signaling. Agnostic centrist into evolution, sex, sentience, freedom & future.

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    1. Geoffrey Miller‏Verified account @primalpoly 1 Aug 2019
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      If someone says 'you're virtue-signaling', do you take that as:

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    2. Geoffrey Miller‏Verified account @primalpoly 1 Aug 2019
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      PS my personal take is that virtue signaling should be a mixed/neutral term overall, but that as a behavior, it can be done badly, unselfconsciously, and/or delusionally, or done well, with self-awareness & humility. For more on that, see my new ebook:http://gum.co/nhFKP 

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      Geoffrey Miller‏Verified account @primalpoly 1 Aug 2019
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      PS saying 'it's not _really_ virtue if it's signaled' is like saying 'it's not really athleticism if you win races' or 'it's not really intelligence if you score high on IQ tests'...

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        2. Kat‏ @Kat10101 1 Aug 2019
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          Not really, you can't win races without being athletic and it's hard to score highly on an IQ test without being intelligent. You can however, easily virtue signal without any virtue behind it.

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        3. Wotton‏ @WottonLang 1 Aug 2019
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          'virtue signalling' is a conscious attempt to signal a proxy for an underlying virtue. winning a race is not, in the first place, even a conscious signal, and in any case is simply the display of the thing itself and not a proxy

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        2. John Buck‏ @WriterJohnBuck 1 Aug 2019
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          It's not really winning a footrace if you ride a bike. It's not really being virtuous if you're only doing it for attention. Virtuous acts require personal sacrifice, virtue-signaling is 'cheap tawk'.

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        3. Keegan Ead‏ @keeead 2 Aug 2019
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          To be fair we already had a term for that though. 'Lip Service'

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        1. darthfledermaus‏ @darthfledermaus 1 Aug 2019
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          There's a difference between winning races, where the point is to demonstrate superiority, and virtue, the value of which is usually considered to be spoiled by self promotion.

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        1. Chris Leveroni‏ @ChrisLeveroni 1 Aug 2019
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          It kinda depends if you mean people demonstrating their virtue in such a way as to ensure others see it or that people are falsely aping virtue for status.

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        1. Diogenes‏ @DogDiogenes 1 Aug 2019
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          “Virtue” or in this case “majority opinion” if aped consciously, purely to gain favour, is the opposite of virtue. I had this the other day after a friend had just read Sinek’s “Leaders Eat Last”. He offered me food at a work social event first. Empty gesture.

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        1. Christian Boulton‏ @sprogsanddogs 1 Aug 2019
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          Definitely not a simple issue. However, no one would 'signal' winning a race, they just would (and a magnanimous victor is far greater than a braggart). But, if one has 'virtue', it would surely not go unnoticed, no matter how hard one tried to conceal it (as should be the case).

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        1. Grady 🧢‏ @GradyLocklear 1 Aug 2019
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          Problem is that humility is seen as a virtue. So it's more like saying "It's not really athleticism if you have to cheat to win races."

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        1. Mike Dwyer‏ @dwyermz 1 Aug 2019
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          If we include rational selfishness as a virtue (& I do), then, yes, I would agree that virtual signalling can be virtuous. But most people consider selfishness of any sort a vice, so by conventional definition of virtue, to signal one's own virtue for selfish purposes is a vice

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