FWIW, I've met very few people on either side who can steelman the other side in this debate.
The 'Great Twitter Abortion Debate of 2019' fills me with despair about the state of American civic dialogue. Here's why both sides need to learn how to pass the 'ideological Turing test' in understanding the other side's positions.https://twitter.com/lizzywol/status/1129424615443447808 …
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If you think pain is the only issue, you're not passing the ideological turing test.
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I guess it depends on who you are plugged into. I have had some civil conversations about it, and have witnessed some.
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I had a conversation yesterday on the concepts of viability outside of a womb. My position was from the side of, "What if wombs are obsolete?". What if due to technology, most of the specialized biological apparatus burdening women is unnecessary? https://jme.bmj.com/content/44/11/751 …
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Memetics isn't philosophy. It's war. And evolution.
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She falls in the very same trap. In the end, I see that people don't realise only how relative their ethical values are; they don't even properly define and delimitate them, nor linguistically deconstruct their implicit ambiguity. Check my answer to her post.
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People are just going to understand that this is an issue all sides will have to uncomfortably compromise on.Banning abortions completely isn't pragmatic&allowing them past X period of time ~IS~ killing a human being, with 21 weeks being the earliest a surviving baby was born at
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Natural Rights include the right to life. Let Biologists and Physicians argue when that is, imo.
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