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Psychology professor; wrote The Mating Mind, Spent, Mate, & Virtue Signaling. Agnostic centrist into evolution, sex, sentience, freedom & future.

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    1. Intelligence Squared U.S.‏ @IQ2US 23 Apr 2019
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      The world's first genetically engineered babies have already been born. Should we embrace this new technology? http://smarturl.it/GEBabiesIQ2 pic.twitter.com/ecyintlx27

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      Geoffrey Miller‏Verified account @primalpoly 23 Apr 2019
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      Is there any _principled_ ethical difference between genetically engineering babies vs. using selective mate choice to favor certain heritable traits (which animals have been doing for hundreds of millions of years)?

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        2. Nick McLean‏ @Nocmclean 23 Apr 2019
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          I suppose one is more deliberate and planned as opposed to instinctive, and one allows for potentially disturbing policies, state/corporate control.

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        3. Geoffrey Miller‏Verified account @primalpoly 23 Apr 2019
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          Yes, but family, religious, state, and corporate control has been distorting mating markets for thousands of years already.... Power always tries to meddle with reproduction, and often succeeds.

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        2. Circus_picadiliensis‏ @picadiliensis 23 Apr 2019
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          Is there, in principle, any ethical difference between an ethical difference and a _principled_ ethical difference?

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        3. Geoffrey Miller‏Verified account @primalpoly 23 Apr 2019
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          An 'ethical difference' often invokes moral disgust, 'yuck reactions', and slippery slope arguments. Principled arguments don't.

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        2. Ravi S. Kudesia‏ @rskudesia 23 Apr 2019
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          Humility about unintended consequences, for one. We don't usually get things right on the first try. Only one of the above methods will likely lead to increased negative consequences for babies, even if we cannot immediately predict what those consequences might be.

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        3. Geoffrey Miller‏Verified account @primalpoly 23 Apr 2019
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          Mate choice often leads to unanticipated side-effects, spontaneous abortion, embryonic death, catastrophic failures of development, etc. We're just used to those as the cost of biological reproduction.

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        1. eat beef‏ @homefreshfood 23 Apr 2019
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          Yes

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        1. Gordon Ingram‏ @gordoning 23 Apr 2019
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          One has intrinsic limits, the other does not. What extrinsic limits do we set on genetic engineering (e.g., should it be used for cosmetic purposes?) and how can we be sure that people will stick to them? Until you can answer those questions, I'll continue seeing it as different.

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        1. autumn leaf‏ @this_is_cozy 23 Apr 2019
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          I'll play devil's advocate and say yes. Bc putting a zygote or gamete through non-standard enviro and handling can have epigenetic effects that are unpredictable. As a former organ cell culturist- nothing's exactly the same as in vivo even if you make the custom cell media.

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        1. Haq Nawaz‏ @Haq_NawazKhan 23 Apr 2019
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          Evolutionarily true, in fact intriguing.

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