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Psychology professor; wrote The Mating Mind, Spent, Mate, & Virtue Signaling. Agnostic centrist into evolution, sex, sentience, freedom & future.

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    1. Geoffrey Miller‏Verified account @primalpoly 27 Mar 2019
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      In 'The Lord of the Rings', the _real_ hero was

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    2. Bangs‏ @AndreaLynnLewis 27 Mar 2019
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      Samwise Gamgee!!! How is he not listed Geoffrey??!!pic.twitter.com/0gPPsMFGu7

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    3. Eliezer Yudkowsky‏Verified account @ESYudkowsky 27 Mar 2019
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      Sam Gamgee is literally the standard answer. I’m not saying that as a form of hyperbole, I mean that if you ask people who analyze Lord of the Rings this is what they will tell you.

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      Geoffrey Miller‏Verified account @primalpoly 27 Mar 2019
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      Wait but why. What's the best thing to read on this bizarre take?

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        2. Eliezer Yudkowsky‏Verified account @ESYudkowsky 27 Mar 2019
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          Personally, going on the criterion "Whose choices are effective", I'd say that Frodo is legit the main character in FotR when he says "I will take the Ring, though I do not know the way". By RotK, Frodo's degree of Ring Corruption is too great, choice and viewpoint shifts to Sam.

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        3. Eliezer Yudkowsky‏Verified account @ESYudkowsky 27 Mar 2019
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          The last thing Frodo does as an effective main character is tell Sam not to kill Gollum. But Gandalf is such an odd choice from a literary standpoint that I suspect you mean something other than "main character" or "protagonist" by "hero". Least substitutable personnel?

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        2. Bangs‏ @AndreaLynnLewis 27 Mar 2019
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          I don't know what Tolkien's reasons were for naming Sam as the real hero, but he was the force behind the scenes, he saved Frodo from Shelob and single handedly got Frodo to Mount doom...middle earth wouldn't have been saved without him

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        3. antihero_kate‏ @antihero_kate 27 Mar 2019
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          He encompassed everything good and decent about the human spirit. Courage, humility, bravery, loyalty, sensitivity, strength.....I could go on.

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        1. Micah Glasser‏ @micahglasser 27 Mar 2019
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          It's true. He's supposed to represent the Everyman that seems unimportant but his loyalty and good will is the only thing that stops the evil.

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        1. Nabeel Qureshi‏ @nabeelqu 27 Mar 2019
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          * the only correct take @primalpoly!http://www.theonering.net/torwp/2013/05/16/71670-all-about-sam-why-the-main-character-of-the-lord-of-the-rings-is-really-samwise-gamgee/ …

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        1. Tim Buckley‏ @timbucki 27 Mar 2019
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          Lord of The Rings

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        1. Steve Jones‏ @Lacish_Ael_Dae 27 Mar 2019
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          A simpleton's take would be -- Sam always did the right thing. Frodo had issues, ups, downs, failings. Sam was there by his side. Aragorn had his own issues, faltered and came back. Gandalf is too good. Therefore it must really be Sam, the unheralded, runner-up nothing burger.

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