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Psychology professor; wrote The Mating Mind, Spent, Mate, & Virtue Signaling. Agnostic centrist into evolution, sex, sentience, freedom & future.

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    1. Geoffrey Miller‏Verified account @primalpoly 20 Mar 2019
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      IIRC, Fisher 1915 introduced both runaway and good genes theories, but JBS Haldane in the 30s hated both theories (for socialist reasons!), and sort of buried Fisher's best ideas. At least so I argued in Mating Mind.

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      The problem with runaway is that it is a violation of the logic of good genes.

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    3. Joe Smith‏ @iamnotjoesmith 20 Mar 2019
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      A male with attractive traits gets laid, passes down genes for those same traits to males who will in turn get laid. Females get plenty of descendants because of their sexy sons. Sounds like pretty good genes to me. Then good ol' natural selection keeps things from goin too crazy

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    4. Joe Smith‏ @iamnotjoesmith 21 Mar 2019
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      That is absolutely the answer if you accept a null hypothesis of arbitrary mate choice. It shouldn't simply be taken for granted that a trait is adaptive; it should be proven, & often the evidence in this realm is quite weak. 1/2

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    5. Joe Smith‏ @iamnotjoesmith 22 Mar 2019
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      Natural selection will begin to override aesthetic evolution when a resultant decrease in survival exceeds whatever direct (male) and indirect (female) genetic benefits have accrued merely from males satisfying females' (arbitrary) aesthetic preferences 1/x

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    6. Joe Smith‏ @iamnotjoesmith 22 Mar 2019
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      As to the video above, the *very first sentence* is "How can we distinguish when a trait is the product of adaptive evolution versus DRIFT?". We are not discussing genetic drift. It also seems dubious to claim that traits with the above criteria are *necessarily* adaptive. 2/x

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    7. Joe Smith‏ @iamnotjoesmith 22 Mar 2019
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      More generally, assuming a trait's adaptiveness might be appropriate for, say, a wing, or an opposable thumb. But a complete description of sexual selection is very much a live issue in evo-bio, so such an assumption is just scientifically lazy. 3/x

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    8. Joe Smith‏ @iamnotjoesmith 22 Mar 2019
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      Finally, you can think both adaptive & arbitrary mate choice can happen, but that one of them vastly predominates. This is the view of the best popularizer of aesthetic evolution, Richard Prum. You should check out The Evolution of Beauty if you want to challenge your priors. 4/4

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      Geoffrey Miller‏Verified account @primalpoly 22 Mar 2019
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      Did Richard Prum say anything that I didn't say already in The Mating Mind (2000)? Worth reading?

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        1. Joe Smith‏ @iamnotjoesmith 22 Mar 2019
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          I haven't read your book (it's on my list!). I thought Prum's book was excellent, though. He does come down hard (perhaps unfairly so) on evolutionary psychologists, though - just a fair warning. And many of his ideas about Homo Sapiens are highly speculative (he admits this tho)

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