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Psychology professor; wrote The Mating Mind, Spent, Mate, & Virtue Signaling. Agnostic centrist into evolution, sex, sentience, freedom & future.

New Mexico
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    Geoffrey Miller‏Verified account @primalpoly 1 Mar 2019
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    Why say 'motte & bailey' when you could just say 'bait & switch'?https://twitter.com/backus/status/1101425254461652992 …

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    John Backus @backus
    The emperor’s new clothes, but for pointing out that “Motte and Bailey” is a terrible name for this concept pic.twitter.com/gfRq2wm9oZ
    4:34 PM - 1 Mar 2019
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      2. Russell Hogg‏ @hogster 2 Mar 2019
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        Because the excellent slatestarcodex does a brilliant job explaining the concept. https://slatestarcodex.com/2014/11/03/all-in-all-another-brick-in-the-motte/ …

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      3. Peter Marreck‏ @pmarreck 2 Mar 2019
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        This is exactly the source that lit the lightbulb for me. I think part of the problem is that there is no substitute for these words which are lesser-known terms from an ancient craft (castle design) and yet turn out to be a fairly perfect analogy.

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      1. Asher Bantock‏ @AsherBantock 1 Mar 2019
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        Cuz you don't move back and forth between your bait and switch positions

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      1. catascopic‏ @catascopic 2 Mar 2019
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        I think Scott Alexander proposed "strategic equivocation", which is pretty good. Some people do it without realizing, though, so it may not necessarily be strategic.

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      1. Michael Rodríguez‏ @MRodDC 2 Mar 2019
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        I thought Motte & Bailey was another direct to consumer menswear and accessories brand.

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      1. AleksJames‏ @aleksjames54 1 Mar 2019
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        The M&B is a form of bait and switch, where you've switched in a more reasonable/toned-down version argument

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      1. Christian E Gruber‏ @christiangruber 1 Mar 2019
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        I always thought it was a more specific variant of the bait and switch, separate from moving the goalposts, non-sequitur, and strawman, which I saw as other forms of bait and switch.

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      1. Jeremy Willis‏ @JeremyPhilosoph 1 Mar 2019
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        Identity politic motte's are more fun https://i.ibb.co/QYwt1LV/motte-bailey.png …

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      2. Chad Gonczy‏ @ChadGonczyHPB 2 Mar 2019
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        But...why does that matter? If you think the gander is the female one, the phrase loses 0% of its meaning

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