How much of this is that leftists don’t realize many on the right fully ground their ethical framework in religious doctrine?
What I've learned from the last few days of the abortion debate on Twitter: 1) Most 'pro-choice' Leftists have NO IDEA AT ALL how seriously the 'pro-life' Right takes this issue as ethically foundational (not just as a religious doctrine) 2) See point 1 again
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Yes, but I'm not seeing religious scripture quotes from many pro-life folks. I'm seeing ethical arguments that even an atheist could make.
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Moral empathy is difficult - from
@AmandaAskell “When people disagree about moral issues, they often don’t treat the moral beliefs of those that they disagree with as genuine moral beliefs: instead they treat them like mere whims or mild preferences” http://www.rationalreflection.net/vegetarianism-abortion-and-moral-empathy/ … -
Each side of the abortion debate mischaracterizes the other side’s position: 1. “Pro-choice people just want consequence-free sex & the destruction of the traditional family.” 2. “Pro-life peope just want to control women’s lives by controlling their bodies.” Wrong and wrong.
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What I’ve learned is that the far right has no clue about medical conditions in the third trimester that will kill the mother or medical conditions that are unsurvivable as a baby...and they do not care.
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Not far right by any means. Please can you enlighten a fellow MD as to the third trimester medical conditions which we routinely recommend abortion for as opposed to early delivery (induction of labour) or Caesarean section?
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Agreed. I am very pro-choice, but I cringe when pro-choice Leftists mischaracterize the pro-life Right's motive as simply "wanting to control women's bodies." It's such a straw man and displays a total unwillingness to engage.
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Tho hard Rightists will often talk about 'murdering' and 'massacring' babies about any abortion procedure writ large (not even ones that could approximate the language used to describe them really). This debate is laden with emotion.
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Even if they are not religious/scriptural, you’d need to believe in a non material soul to rationally justify their doctrine as there is no evidence of consciousness before 24 weeks or even sentience before 18. Belief in the sanctity of human life from day 1 is an emotional cause
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Any proof that subplate doesn't allow a fetus to experience pain? Check when spinothalamic projections reach it. We don't know when minimal necessary anatomy to convey that works but it's earlier than 18wks. Causing pain to humans without consent & not for their benefit is dicey.
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