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Psychology professor; wrote The Mating Mind, Spent, Mate, & Virtue Signaling. Agnostic centrist into evolution, sex, sentience, freedom & future.

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    1. Cody McInnis‏ @CodyCCCXXII 30 Nov 2018
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      I always ask these people, "If you argue that it is morally bad for the government to limit your free speech, why then do you think it's ok when other groups and institutions do it?"

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    2. Jonny Anderson‏ @jonny_anderson 30 Nov 2018
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      Because the government has the power to imprison and other institutions do not...

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    3. Geoffrey Miller‏Verified account @primalpoly 30 Nov 2018
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      Other institutions have other kinds of power, and any kind of power can interfere with free speech if it's not constrained by a general public that actively values free speech. That's my point bro.

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    4. Pierre-JoZeph Sempé‏ @pjsempe 1 Dec 2018
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      Yeah, but freedom of association goes against it. You have no right to be platformed, you can't force someone to give you something to talk or write. Which doesn't mean it's not a problem!

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    5. Jonny Anderson‏ @jonny_anderson 1 Dec 2018
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      I would like to know on what basis can it be claimed the the American value of "freedom of speech" ought be interpreted as anything other than "speech must not be criminalized"... I think that's a part of the misunderstanding here...

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    6. Cody McInnis‏ @CodyCCCXXII 1 Dec 2018
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      The problem is that people such as you, have no conception of the reciprocity of such values. As Thomas Moore says in A Man For All Seasons, "I'd give the Devil benefit of law for my own safety's sake."

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    7. Cody McInnis‏ @CodyCCCXXII 1 Dec 2018
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      People like you are willing to hand over your autonomy to someone else, for fear of hearing something you might not like.

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    8. Jonny Anderson‏ @jonny_anderson 1 Dec 2018
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      You are jumping to conclusions that can not be reached by reason... Even your quote is explicitly about "law"... which is precisely what I am pointing to... govt has the power of law. I have not advocated for anything resembling surrendering my autonomy...

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    9. Cody McInnis‏ @CodyCCCXXII 1 Dec 2018
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      I was saying that the quote also applies to values, like freedom of speech. You are either as dense as a block of lead, or you are trolling.

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    10. Pierre-JoZeph Sempé‏ @pjsempe 1 Dec 2018
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      Freedom of speech is not a value, it's a law concept. It just means government has no power to prevent you from saying what you want.

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      Britain has a fairly high degree of free speech, with no #1A or constitutional rights at all. Why? It's a cultural _value_ that people support.

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        1. Jonny Anderson‏ @jonny_anderson 1 Dec 2018
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          No one is saying that a 1A is required or to credit... just that speech ought not be criminalized. If GB has free speech because they dont make laws against speech... On what basis are we to understand "free speech" as something other than "no laws restricting"?

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        2. Pierre-JoZeph Sempé‏ @pjsempe 1 Dec 2018
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          Britain is not that good on free speech, just ask @CountDankulaTV. And free speech is about law and government. To ask for someone to be forced to platform you goes against other freedom like freedom of association (ie the right not to be forced to associate with someone)

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          We're talking about the freedom to make up your own mind, you have to listen to someone before you can actually do that. You aren't if you let some petty dictators with their brainless algorithms decide for you. Why do you want them to? You keep ignoring the question.

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