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Evolutionary psych professor; wrote some books. Into the deep past & far future, esp. genes, minds, civilizations, sex, freedom, families, & Effective Altruism.

New Mexico
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    Geoffrey Miller‏Verified account @primalpoly Oct 24

    Geoffrey Miller Retweeted Nicholas A. Christakis

    Maybe the largest study of moral judgments ever done: 40 million decisions in ten languages from millions of people in 233 countries and territories. Useful for designing moral decision-making systems for autonomous vehicles.https://twitter.com/NAChristakis/status/1055153755962793984 …

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    Nicholas A. Christakis @NAChristakis
    Fantastic paper I've been expecting is finally out in @nature: The Moral Machine Experiment via @EdmondAwad @iyadrahwan @JoHenrich @JFBonnefon et al shows how people around the world might want locally-relevant ethical rules embedded in their machines https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-018-0637-6 … 1/
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      2. David Owen‏ @davidowen_sd Oct 24
        Replying to @primalpoly

        "people from relatively prosperous countries with strong institutions were less likely to spare a pedestrian who stepped into traffic illegally." - So those cultures who value law and order more show traits that value law and order more than lawless hellholes?

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      3. trinityboy‏ @trinityb38 Oct 24
        Replying to @davidowen_sd @primalpoly

        I'd suggest that a longer history of prosperity and consequent mass vehicle ownership has warped our moral compass, the other people we see outside our metal boxes are just video game characters, not flesh and blood like us on the inside.

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      4. David Owen‏ @davidowen_sd Oct 24
        Replying to @trinityb38 @primalpoly

        I respect that opinion. I live in Mexico at the moment and the evidence suggests to me people simply value all lives less than in post-industrial nations. You can observe this by the way people walk and drive in any city here. It is insanely dangerous but nothing improves.

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      2. David Owen‏ @davidowen_sd Oct 24
        Replying to @primalpoly

        The brakes go out. The @Waymo car has the choice to lethally take out 3 people (passengers or pedestrians).Will Alphabet Inc. skew algorithms based on intersectional ideology of the company when determining which people die?

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      3. brad samuels‏ @bradleyasamuels Oct 24
        Replying to @davidowen_sd @primalpoly @Waymo

        Terrifying thought. Although it might be logical under postmodern critical theory frameworks, I highly doubt such a decision would ever be programmed in by the engineers responsible for designing these systems.

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      4. David Owen‏ @davidowen_sd Oct 24
        Replying to @bradleyasamuels @primalpoly @Waymo

        David Owen Retweeted David Owen

        Did you take the test? If fat people and pets are being considered we've already entered a nebulous realm of subjectivity. Trump voters are indeed less likely to live as long. If a car can assess homelessness it can assess political leanings.https://twitter.com/davidowen_sd/status/1055172892621565952 …

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        David Owen @davidowen_sd
        Just took a self-driving car test in which I told the autonomous vehicles to save young healthy people at the expense of fat, homeless, pet and old people. Decisions, decisions. http://moralmachine.mit.edu/results/1600582430 … via @ScalableCoop #MoralMachine #trolleyProblem #morality #AI #ethics
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      5. brad samuels‏ @bradleyasamuels Oct 24
        Replying to @davidowen_sd @primalpoly @Waymo

        I see the appeal of crowd-sourcing the moral decisions our future machines make, but I can't help but expect that the decisions they make will maximize the profit (or, minimize the losses, in the case of disaster) of the manufacturer, regardless of what any humans want.

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      6. David Owen‏ @davidowen_sd Oct 24
        Replying to @bradleyasamuels @primalpoly @Waymo

        In that case they will kill the person least likely to prosecute

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      1. radwyn althor‏ @radwyn Oct 25
        Replying to @primalpoly

        I'd prefer to put my own ethical rules in isn't that the current system?

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