Geoffrey Miller on Twitter: "If nothing would ever change your mind, there's no point in pretending that you're making a rational argument, or in arguing with you. Ciao.… https://t.co/cdDivrMXXW"

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Psychology professor; wrote The Mating Mind, Spent, Mate, & Virtue Signaling. Agnostic centrist into evolution, sex, sentience, freedom & future.

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Dr Darren Saunders‏Verified account @whereisdaz 18 Jun 2018

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On the importance of creativity and diversity in STEM, and the cost of bad behaviour. @abcnews @ABCthedrum @primalpolyhttp://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-06-19/science-brilliant-free-pass-bad-behaviour/9879704 …

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Geoffrey Miller‏Verified account @primalpoly 19 Jun 2018

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Where's your data that 'women and minorities are being driven out of science'? Their proportions have been increasing in every science for decades.

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Dr Darren Saunders‏Verified account @whereisdaz 19 Jun 2018

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It’s linked in the piece. e.g...pic.twitter.com/GiwlZlgz9q

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Geoffrey Miller‏Verified account @primalpoly 19 Jun 2018

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I mean, show me historical data that the % representation has dropped in the last few years due to this alleged 'alienation effect'.

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Dr Darren Saunders‏Verified account @whereisdaz 19 Jun 2018

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That’s not what I said, and that is a very different interpretation.

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Geoffrey Miller‏Verified account @primalpoly 19 Jun 2018

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Help me out then. What evidence would lead you to change your mind that women and minorities are being driven out of science by aspies being awkward or rude? Or is it an unfalsifiable hunch based on anecdotes?

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Dr Darren Saunders‏Verified account @whereisdaz 19 Jun 2018

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Again, that’s not what I said. That piece is about bad behaviour more broadly. I have direct experience of this myself, as do many others

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Dr Darren Saunders‏Verified account @whereisdaz 19 Jun 2018

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I’m not disagreeing with you that we need to accomodate neurodiversity, I’m saying that bad behaviour (including rudeness, inappropriate comments etc) also comes at a cost that needs to be considered.

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Geoffrey Miller‏Verified account @primalpoly 19 Jun 2018

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You keep claiming that there's this big cost, and you haven't given any data that this cost exists, or answered my question about what data would make you change your mind about this issue.

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Dr Darren Saunders‏Verified account @whereisdaz 19 Jun 2018

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I’m not claiming it, I’ve experienced it personally. And hearing the stories of many others, you’d be hard pressed to find any data that would change my mind.

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Geoffrey Miller‏Verified account @primalpoly 19 Jun 2018

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Replying to @whereisdaz @abcnews @ABCthedrum

If nothing would ever change your mind, there's no point in pretending that you're making a rational argument, or in arguing with you. Ciao.

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  Prof. Miller, in your Quillette article, you also fail to provide data for your claims. Are neurodivergent students breaking campus speech codes at a higher frequency than the neurotypical? If so, have other variables been controlled for (e.g sex, socio-econ., politics, etc)?
  
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