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    1. Marco Rogers‏ @polotek May 13
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      Marco Rogers Retweeted Sahil Lavingia

      I'm gonna go ahead and push back on this. People wanna learn to code so they be gainfully employed and take care of themselves and their families. It's not complicated. The issue is that our industry doesn't know how to teach for vocation, so we fall back on these excuses.https://twitter.com/shl/status/1128026752817610752 …

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      Sahil LavingiaVerified account @shl
      I have this conversation a lot… Them: "How do I learn to code?" Me: "What do you want to make?" Them: "I don't know…" Figure out what you want to make – once you know why you want to learn to code, it'll be much easier to!
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    2. Richard Spenceley‏ @Spence1115 May 14
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      Replying to @polotek @sarahmei

      I think the initial sentiment that it will be easier to learn if you know what you want to make is true, in the sense that you'll have more focused learning and it'll guide you on what you want to learn.

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    3. Richard Spenceley‏ @Spence1115 May 14
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      Replying to @Spence1115 @polotek @sarahmei

      Nothing against learning to code without a project, it just might take longer because you don't have the same guiding path, but on the flip side you'll have a much broader coding knowledge, whereas project person knows how to do enough for that, but not much else.

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    4. Richard Spenceley‏ @Spence1115 May 14
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      Replying to @Spence1115 @polotek @sarahmei

      A bit like how when you're in school, you're taught history or maths to pass a test. It's very focused. There's a load you're never taught.

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    5. Richard Spenceley‏ @Spence1115 May 14
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      Replying to @Spence1115 @polotek @sarahmei

      I still remember my programming books as a kid, teaching you how to make a bunch of different apps - text readers, video players etc. That worked way better for me than just learning code. YMMV of course

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    6. Sarah Mei‏Verified account @sarahmei May 14
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      Replying to @Spence1115 @polotek

      We don’t think potential history students need to already have a graduate thesis topic to “guide their learning.” We don’t think potential lawyers need to already know what kind of cases they want to work on. We don’t think potential civil engineers need to know (etc)

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    7. Richard Spenceley‏ @Spence1115 May 14
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      Replying to @sarahmei @polotek

      No entirely fair, and I don't think people should have to here either. I do think it can help with learning (helped me a lot) but also that it has its downsides (as I said, it only teaches you some stuff, not very broad knowledge etc) and that of course it's not for everyone.

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    8. Sarah Mei‏Verified account @sarahmei May 14
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      Replying to @Spence1115

      Having a project idea in mind is also a valid starting point - it’s when people assume it’s the _only_ valid starting point (which is what the original quoted tweet is assuming) that it becomes gatekeeping.

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    9. Richard Spenceley‏ @Spence1115 May 14
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      Replying to @sarahmei

      Well the original tweet just said it would be easier. Should have been 'may be easier', sure. But they didn't say it was the only way etc. I agree it can seem like gatekeeping that way though, yes.

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      Marco Rogers‏ @polotek May 14
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      Replying to @Spence1115 @sarahmei

      Everybody is continuing to miss the critique. It doesn't matter what's easier or more effectice. When someone comes to you and says "I wanna learn to program", why would you choose to focus on finding ways to tell them they have the wrong motivations.

      4:38 PM - 14 May 2019
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        2. Marco Rogers‏ @polotek May 14
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          Replying to @polotek @Spence1115 @sarahmei

          The OP and everybody else is really only thinking about themselves. Not thinking about meeting a student where they are. The whole point is that responding to an eager student by telling them what they're missing and telling them it's gonna be harder is not a good idea.

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        3. Marco Rogers‏ @polotek May 14
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          Replying to @polotek @Spence1115 @sarahmei

          There are tons of people in the replies saying that out loud. That they're turned off by this rhetoric and it's making them feel inferior. And for some reason y'all can't hear it, and just keep repeating the same thing as if we didn't understand you the first time.

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