That's why I pay taxes. Health and Education.
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Vastauksena käyttäjille @aa73561, @pmddomingos ja
Plus infrastructure, social programs, and every program that demonstrably has a high return on investment for society as a whole. I just wish the US didn't overspend as insanely on defense.
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That's rich. The US bears the burden of defending the free world, and Europe gets to free ride on it. It's disgraceful. (And Europe also gets to free ride on the innovation that comes from the US, and even then the per capita income is much lower.)
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Vastauksena käyttäjille @pmddomingos, @ylecun ja
As an Indian I say thanks to the US. Europe is fun to visit as a tourist but there is nothing comparable to the US when it comes to giving a chance to talented ppl. A Mongolian whiz kid gets noticed and picked up by MIT not by Europe. Obama would have been a door man in Germany.
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Vastauksena käyttäjille @girishpie, @pmddomingos ja
Well, a former PhD student of mine from Mongolia is now a research scientist at FAIR-Paris. He wanted to stay in NYC, but the US wouldn't give him an H1-B visa. Pretty much invalidates your entire claim ;-)
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Vastauksena käyttäjille @ylecun, @pmddomingos ja
I am not surprised.. the US govt is mostly a bureaucratic organization. But the meritocratic culture in the US is much better compared to other countries. This is why your student "wanted to stay in NYC". I bet you he will eventually get his visa and move here ;-)
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Vastauksena käyttäjille @girishpie, @pmddomingos ja
I very much disagree with your claim about meritocracy. Western European countries are *much* more meritocratic than the US. In the US talented-but-poor kids don't stand a chance. And there is this indecently immoral thing called "legacy admissions" in top universities.
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Vastauksena käyttäjille @ylecun, @girishpie ja
In fact, social mobility is higher in most European countries than in the US. It's even higher in the UK than in the US, despite the UK's legacy class system!
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Vastauksena käyttäjille @ylecun, @girishpie ja
Which is mainly a problem if you think that everyone has equal talent, and the only cause of differential achievement is discrimination. (BTW, I've lived in the US and two very different European countries, and America is a classless society in a way that Europe will never be.)
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Vastauksena käyttäjille @pmddomingos, @ylecun ja
We should not worry too much about social mobility unless "*everyone* has equal talent". What kind of argument is this?
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I didn't say that. Stop making up straw men. Once you take ability into account, the difference in mobility between the US and European countries largely disappears. Refute that or admit it.
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Vastauksena käyttäjille @pmddomingos, @ylecun ja
How did you not say that? And why is the burden on me to refute such as silly claim? It is your burden to support your claim. I'm not even sure what your claim is. Is it your claim that the distribution of talent is different in US and Europe?
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Vastauksena käyttäjille @jeffrey_bowers, @ylecun ja
Outcomes are a function of both ability and opportunity, both of which vary within each country. If you ignore ability, you imagine greater differences of opportunity than are really there. Is that clear now?
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