I agree that natural gas is good stop-gap if used to replace worse alternatives like coal. I disagree about optimal tax on carbon. I agree with the overwhelming consensus of climate researchers and economists that it should likely be about $40/ton.https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-to-set-a-price-on-carbon-pollution/ …
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Vastauksena käyttäjille @erikbryn ja @pmddomingos
Note that if the uncertainty about climate effects of CO2 increases (for any given best average estimate) then the expected economic costs are *higher*.
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Vastauksena käyttäjälle @erikbryn
It's the average estimate that's too high. And uncertainty does *not* necessarily increase economic costs, which could even be negative (e.g., higher agricultural productivity, lower deaths from cold, etc.). (BTW, Gaussians are symmetric - you know that.)
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Vastauksena käyttäjälle @pmddomingos
Based on my non-expert reading of the data and research, I disagree. So do most climate scientists. Symmetric uncertainty increases expected costs when costs are convex. (Jensen's Inequality) as with climate change (4 degrees hotter is more than twice as damaging as 2 degrees)
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Vastauksena käyttäjälle @erikbryn
And it decreases expected costs when they're concave, which by basic climate science is easily the most likely. (The greenhouse effect of CO2 is logarithmic, so adding more to the atmosphere produces decreasing warming - are you really disputing that?)
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Vastauksena käyttäjälle @pmddomingos
The uncertainty I’m referring to is about how much warming we can expect. There are scenarios where the warming or other bad outcomes are amplified and others where they dampened. For instance, even a small tail risk of a runaway greenhouse effect would be catastrophic.
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Vastauksena käyttäjälle @erikbryn
There are tail risks in both directions, and there are tail risks if we attempt to decarbonize the economy. A slightly increased chance of a runaway greenhouse effect is not enough to make the expected cost of CO2 convex instead of concave.
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Vastauksena käyttäjille @pmddomingos ja @erikbryn
What are the ecological tail risks in trying to decarbonize?
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Vastauksena käyttäjille @dileeplearning ja @erikbryn
They're not ecological, they're economic (and they're pretty serious). And then there's all the ones we don't know, because we haven't deployed renewables on a large scale yet.
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This is certainly the most ignorant thing I have read on twitter for a long time. Dumping a lot of stuff into the atmosphere known to affect it in profound ways is not a much bigger risk?
@hausfath had several super convincing studies on the accuracy of past predictions.1 vastaus 0 uudelleentwiittausta 1 tykkäys
Christian, why don't you at least read the rest of our discussion before making a fool of yourself? Jeez. (And then try reading "Unsettled", for example. Also, reading IPCC reports, original papers, talking to experts, etc., as I have. You have a long way to go. Then apologize.)
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Vastauksena käyttäjille @pmddomingos, @dileeplearning ja
Soounds like a super scientific argument: "experts" , "original papers"... WT...? I am not *sure* about anything and I'd be the happiest person of the world, if I turn out to be a fool. And I will apologize in that case, for sure.
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