So you think we should have a larger Pigouvian tax on coal and oil to accelerate the switch to cleaner sources like most economists do? I was literally at a conference of economists this morning where this was discussed. Here's a good list:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pigou_Club
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Vastauksena käyttäjälle @erikbryn
You have to distinguish pollution and CO2, which are very different things. The Pigouvian tax on CO2 should be quite small. The shortcomings of clean energy are severe. On balance, the best choice is natural gas. Do you disagree?
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Vastauksena käyttäjälle @pmddomingos
I agree that natural gas is good stop-gap if used to replace worse alternatives like coal. I disagree about optimal tax on carbon. I agree with the overwhelming consensus of climate researchers and economists that it should likely be about $40/ton.https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-to-set-a-price-on-carbon-pollution/ …
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Vastauksena käyttäjille @erikbryn ja @pmddomingos
Note that if the uncertainty about climate effects of CO2 increases (for any given best average estimate) then the expected economic costs are *higher*.
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Vastauksena käyttäjälle @erikbryn
It's the average estimate that's too high. And uncertainty does *not* necessarily increase economic costs, which could even be negative (e.g., higher agricultural productivity, lower deaths from cold, etc.). (BTW, Gaussians are symmetric - you know that.)
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Vastauksena käyttäjälle @pmddomingos
Based on my non-expert reading of the data and research, I disagree. So do most climate scientists. Symmetric uncertainty increases expected costs when costs are convex. (Jensen's Inequality) as with climate change (4 degrees hotter is more than twice as damaging as 2 degrees)
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Vastauksena käyttäjälle @erikbryn
And it decreases expected costs when they're concave, which by basic climate science is easily the most likely. (The greenhouse effect of CO2 is logarithmic, so adding more to the atmosphere produces decreasing warming - are you really disputing that?)
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Vastauksena käyttäjälle @pmddomingos
The uncertainty I’m referring to is about how much warming we can expect. There are scenarios where the warming or other bad outcomes are amplified and others where they dampened. For instance, even a small tail risk of a runaway greenhouse effect would be catastrophic.
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Vastauksena käyttäjälle @erikbryn
There are tail risks in both directions, and there are tail risks if we attempt to decarbonize the economy. A slightly increased chance of a runaway greenhouse effect is not enough to make the expected cost of CO2 convex instead of concave.
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Vastauksena käyttäjälle @pmddomingos
It's hard for me to think of tail risks from keeping co2 levels from growing rapidly. Here's a good analysis of why we should consider tail risks fo catastrophic climate change in pricing carbon:https://www.aeaweb.org/articles?id=10.1257/aer.104.5.544 …
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There are serious tail risks for the economy (and society) in forced, accelerated decarbonization. Surely you know that. (But why is all the attention on the imagined climate catastrophes? Which you've illustrated well in this discussion.)
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