Thus, the motivation for writing this paper. We aren't saying "LLMs are bad" but rather: these are the dangers we see, that should be accounted for in risk/benefit analyses and, if research proceeds in this direction, mitigated. >>
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Furthermore, I've now had a minute to read your critique, and I disagree with your claim that our criticisms are independent of model size. Difficulty in curating and documenting datasets absolutely scales with dataset size, as we clearly lay out in the paper: >>pic.twitter.com/CKLsFXIKwD
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Likewise, nowhere do we say that small LMs are necessarily good/risk-free. There, and in your points about smaller models possibly being less energy efficient, you seem to have bought into a world view where language modeling must necessarily exist and continue. >>
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This isn't a presupposition we share. (And please don't misread: I'm not saying it should all stop this instant, but rather that research in this area should include cost/benefit analyses.) >>
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As for the claim that our paper is one-sided, this is exhausting. All of ML gets to write papers that talk up the benefits of the tech without mentioning any risks (at least until 2020 w/broader impact statements), but when a paper focuses on the risks, it's "one-sided"? >>
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Furthermore, the "debate" you would like us to acknowledge is based on a false premise. As we lay out in detail in Sec 4, the training data emphatically do NOT represent "the world as it is". >>
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And lastly, miss me with the claim that our work is "political" and therefore has a responsibility to "present the alternative views". See also: https://twitter.com/emilymbender/status/1349844030809542656 … >>
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❄️Emily M. Bender ❄️ @emilymbenderReading a critique of my paper with@timnitGebru (et al) which claims that if you do science (or scholarship) from the point of view that white supremacy is bad, then you have to make that point of view explicit lest any readers who disagree "mistake it for science". I can't evenNäytä tämä ketju3 vastausta 12 uudelleentwiittausta 109 tykkäystäNäytä tämä ketju -
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(1) the "one sidedness" argument was not about "looking only at risks", but about the implications that for language models to be non-harmful they must represent a non-natural language use. and i didn't write "represent the world as is" but "represent the data as is".
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(2) but let's not focus on that, this is the less important part of the piece anyhow. i do want to focus on the first part (about size) which i think is very important, esp given the non-technical audience this work has attracted.
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Also: you're the one who chose to cite Lissack in your piece, despite the fact that he has been harassing Timnit and I on Twitter and that his premise seems to be that it is unscientific to leave it as unspoken that white supremacy is bad. So yeah, I'm not gonna let that slide.
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This is how cancel culture works: if someone writes a thoughtful critique of your pseudo-scientific paper, hurl insults at them, then call them the harassers and use that as a justification to not cite their critique. (And don't forget to throw "white supremacy" into the mix.)
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