You're shifting the goalposts. The NeurIPS ethics review covers a lot more than physically harming people, and applies to things it makes no sense to apply it to.
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So then we agree that ethics reviews make sense, the only question is what should be covered in an ethics review, yes?
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Are you deliberately trying to misconstrue what I say, or is it involuntary?
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“The NeurIPS ethics review covers a lot more than physically harming people...” This makes it sound like you object to the current scope of the ethics review, but you might consider one focused on physical harms more reasonable. Do I misunderstand?
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No, I object to the ethics review process in toto, as I've made abundantly clear, and I point out yet again that NeurIPS is the outlier in this respect.
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Huh. Well. Ok then. Do you support ethical review in any other context? Medical science? Human subjects research?
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That’s not what’s under discussion here.
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I see. At this point, I don’t know if you’re arguing: Ethical review should only occur in context X and not Y, because X is sufficient and Y adds high cost for little benefit. or Ethical review should never occur, because people should do whatever they want. or something else
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I’m saying that NeurIPS should stop requiring ethics sections and ethics reviews, and I haven’t heard a valid argument against it from you.
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Oh. Ok. Because we want to reduce harm from research, and reviewing and rejecting papers is a way for the community to define and enforce standards. That’s why.
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No, it’s inappropriate, particularly for the great majority of papers, which raise no significant or unique ethical questions (e.g., papers on speeding up SGD).
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Well, we can talk about how it could be better — maybe certain papers should be exempt, or maybe the process should be different. I don’t know. But it sounds like you object even for the minority of papers that do raise significant or unique ethical questions.
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Vastauksena käyttäjille @dlowd, @pmddomingos ja
It's literally in the 2020 NeurIPS author FAQ that "very theoretical" or "general enough" work doesn't require an impact statement.
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