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CTO of Jetpac, bought by Google. Apple alumnus, O'Reilly author, blogger, on the TensorFlow team at Google doing deep learning. Email: pete@petewarden.com

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    Pete Warden‏ @petewarden 11 Dec 2018

    I was sad to hear about a second candidate in a few weeks that I knew personally was awesome and didn't make it through the Google hiring pipeline. I feel like we do a bad job at recognizing talented people with broad skill sets, like PMs with engineering skills.

    6:30 PM - 11 Dec 2018 from San Francisco, CA
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      2. Amanda Silver‏ @amandaksilver 12 Dec 2018
        Replying to @petewarden

        I would love to hire PMs with engineering skills on @code, @VisualStudio, and the @Azure dev platform. We have a unique interviewing process that we believe recognizes this kind of talent well. Please redirect them!

        4 replies 8 retweets 35 likes
      3. Shahriar Tajbakhsh‏ @STajbakhsh 12 Dec 2018
        Replying to @amandaksilver @petewarden and

        Can you talk about what’s unique about it @amandaksilver?

        1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
      4. Amanda Silver‏ @amandaksilver 12 Dec 2018
        Replying to @STajbakhsh @petewarden and

        Of course. We subscribe to a lean approach to product development that’s well described in a book written by some of our brilliant user researchers: @tlowdermilk and @JessrichPhD. The book is called The Customer Driven Playbook. http://customerdrivenplaybook.com/ 

        1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
      5. Amanda Silver‏ @amandaksilver 12 Dec 2018
        Replying to @amandaksilver @STajbakhsh and

        Our interview process brings the candidate through a day in the life of a PM on our team - the equivalent to a dev coding with a dev team as their interview.

        1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
      6. Amanda Silver‏ @amandaksilver 12 Dec 2018
        Replying to @amandaksilver @STajbakhsh and

        We have two interviewers in each interview along with the candidate to create a realistic brainstorming session, to ensure we aren’t leading the witness, and to coach junior interviewers.

        1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
      7. Amanda Silver‏ @amandaksilver 12 Dec 2018
        Replying to @amandaksilver @STajbakhsh and

        The day goes through 5 interviews... Customer Segmentation, Problem Identification, Ideation, defining an MVP experiment to test your hypotheses, and Go To Market strategy. A tech interview is also mixed in there.

        1 reply 0 retweets 3 likes
      8. Amanda Silver‏ @amandaksilver 12 Dec 2018
        Replying to @amandaksilver @STajbakhsh and

        A few should get credit for developing and defining the approach including @acangialosi, @Johnmont, @karenkayliu, and @nrhalstead.

        2 replies 0 retweets 5 likes
      9. John Montgomery‏ @Johnmont 13 Dec 2018
        Replying to @amandaksilver @STajbakhsh and

        Rethinking our interview process was one of the most fun activities I've had at Microsoft. I mean, why ask about why a manhole cover is round or how to reverse a linked list when you could give someone a real product problem we're working on to see what fresh eyes make of it?

        3 replies 0 retweets 13 likes
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      2. mat kelcey‏ @mat_kelcey 11 Dec 2018
        Replying to @petewarden

        i failed my google interviews wayyyyy back when :( only got there via an acquistion :)

        5 replies 2 retweets 38 likes
      3. David Sussillo  ☝️ 🤓‏ @SussilloDavid 11 Dec 2018
        Replying to @mat_kelcey @petewarden

        🎢 Things are REALLY hard for scientists👩‍🔬👨‍🔬. 🎢 I interviewed, they said thanks, but no thanks. 😥 🎢 3 months later recruiter calls and says, well.... maybe they made a mistake, and could I come in for one more set of interviews? 😱 🎢 Was made offer a week after that. 😎

        1 reply 4 retweets 20 likes
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      2. Martin Wicke‏ @martin_wicke 11 Dec 2018
        Replying to @petewarden

        Yeah. Or just engineers who didn't focus their time on solving toy programming exercises on a whiteboard. It's pretty infuriating.

        1 reply 1 retweet 45 likes
      3. Swami Vaithi‏ @vswami2012 11 Dec 2018
        Replying to @martin_wicke @petewarden

        I feel Google has cared more about precision than recall (even if they get it wrong - great candidates apply again and much smaller chance a great candidate gets rejected randomly) But I don't know if it is true anymore that rejected candidates apply again.

        2 replies 0 retweets 5 likes
      4. Sumit‏ @_reachsumit 12 Dec 2018
        Replying to @vswami2012 @martin_wicke @petewarden

        Google HR just informed me 2 hours ago that I haven't made it through. 2 out of 7 interviewers just asked me one convoluted string matching question, with no other question about my education, background, current work etc. This one dimensional interviewing is infuriating.

        1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
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      2. andreasgal‏Verified account @andreasgal 12 Dec 2018
        Replying to @petewarden

        Interviews are a crapshoot. After interviewing people for 15+ years I decided the only thing I really trust is referrals from people I trust. That never disappointed me and is a lot more reliable that any interview technique

        2 replies 1 retweet 21 likes
      3. Steffen‏ @steffenver 12 Dec 2018
        Replying to @andreasgal @petewarden

        The problem with this approach is, that this makes it much much harder to hire a diverse set of employees. The more diverse your network is, the more diverse is your candidate pool but there will always be a strong bias compared to the open market

        1 reply 0 retweets 4 likes
      4. andreasgal‏Verified account @andreasgal 12 Dec 2018
        Replying to @steffenver @petewarden

        I agree. It's a challenge with in person interviews, too, though

        0 replies 0 retweets 1 like
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      2. halvarflake‏ @halvarflake 12 Dec 2018
        Replying to @petewarden

        My experience with the Goog pipeline: "We get 200 resumes and throw 100 into the trash at random as first step. Nobody wants to work with unlucky people." ;). Seriously, one has to be capable AND lucky.

        1 reply 1 retweet 7 likes
      3. ((( Ken N.)))‏ @K3n_5s 12 Dec 2018
        Replying to @halvarflake @petewarden

        The risk for top tier companies is hiring a bad worker, not missing out on good people, so they typically err towards not hiring. Definitely not a slight on those not selected. 🙈🙉🙊

        1 reply 1 retweet 1 like
      4. Zoltan Arvai‏ @zoltanarvai 12 Dec 2018
        Replying to @K3n_5s @halvarflake @petewarden

        And I know some of these big companies hiring some really bad people... :)

        1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
      5. ((( Ken N.)))‏ @K3n_5s 12 Dec 2018
        Replying to @zoltanarvai @halvarflake @petewarden

        It's an imperfect system to be sure.

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