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    1. myk is teetering‏ @mykola 6 Jan 2019
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      But you would be taking a tiny fraction of the total set of deltas. Most of what 'you' are can be defined without reference to some delta in the position of an electron in another galaxy.

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    2. myk is teetering‏ @mykola 6 Jan 2019
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      'Immanence' as I understand it is the reductive view of 'you' at some time. It's a slice out of time and space, a tiny set of the total deltas. 'Transcendence' is just thinking about reality in terms of the whole set of deltas, rather than any semantically relevant subset.

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    3. myk is teetering‏ @mykola 6 Jan 2019
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      Whitehead's whole thing is: 'gosh, all of western philosophy acts like Immanence is the only thing that's real, but don't they see that the transcendent view is just as ontologically relevant? Or maybe moreso, even?' @moonandserpent chime in if I'm being reductive!

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    4. radical al-Jabraist‏ @mathpunk 7 Jan 2019
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      So, 1. Thanks to y'all for bein' all smart and stuff in my mentions, and 2. One non-philosophy route to process philosophy is writing Clojure. I think that's why I was able to understand some of Myk's ideas when we met https://github.com/matthiasn/talk-transcripts/blob/master/Hickey_Rich/AreWeThereYet.md …

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    5. myk is teetering‏ @mykola 7 Jan 2019
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      this talk is great, thanks for linking it. this feels like retroactive validation from one of the sharpest minds in CS so I feel like I'm onto something, though I really diverge from some of his models!

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    6. Peter Abrahamsen‏ @peidran 7 Jan 2019
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      Thanks, if I saw this before I'd forgotten. It's nice to see how widely accepted many of these ideas are, nine years on. I'm also glad to see major software initiatives coming from people capable of talking about them philosophically.

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    7. Peter Abrahamsen‏ @peidran 7 Jan 2019
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      One of the purposes of the thing I'm working on now is to find a viable model of computation that moves beyond the single point of view. Philosophically, relativistic and constructivist. Technically, exploring distributed computing and collaboratively constructed representations.

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    8. myk is teetering‏ @mykola 7 Jan 2019
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      Oh gosh hello that’s sorta what I’m building too. CRDT deltas all the way down, any set of deltas can be reduced into a stateful snapshot (constructivist), different users can see different deltas so its relativistic.

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    9. myk is teetering‏ @mykola 7 Jan 2019
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      This is still early but the pieces are taking shape. If any object can be decomposed into the processes that it's composed of, if those processes can be reified and 'owned', then everyone can have a local set of processes representing _their_ view of a given object, and share!

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    10. myk is teetering‏ @mykola 7 Jan 2019
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      But the sharing is at the individual delta level, so you really can literally 'dis-integrate' an object into deltas, recombine them, filter them, whatever, then re-integrate into a new object with new properties, etc, all transparently.

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      Peter Abrahamsen‏ @peidran 7 Jan 2019
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      We're (@EdBaskerville and I) starting with Datalog (a la Datomic) and sharing histories of (E,A,V,T, assert/retract) tuples. Don't know how closely that maps to your deltas.

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        2. myk is teetering‏ @mykola 7 Jan 2019
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          I want to say that a tuple there corresponds to a delta, if it represents some fully defined state change to your system as of time t. How exactly the delta is expressed is of some limited utility but there's room for many ways to do it, I think.

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        3. Peter Abrahamsen‏ @peidran 7 Jan 2019
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          For the time being, our model of time more closely resembles Hickey's: the operations/transactions of any particular actor are totally ordered. CRDTs ops are partially ordered per application semantics, typically by referring to prior entities. IIUC.

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        2. Peter Abrahamsen‏ @peidran 7 Jan 2019
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          I think that'll serve our purposes for at least this year. The goal is to start hosting applications as facts: operations and views as data stored and mutated alongside other facts.

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        3. myk is teetering‏ @mykola 7 Jan 2019
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          Makes good sense to me. You're rolling with Clojure?

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