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"My vegetable love should grow / Vaster than empires and more slow." http://pronoun.is/he?or=they 

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    1. Peter Abrahamsen‏ @peidran 6 Jan 2019
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      Well I guess I have to read Whitehead now.

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    2. myk is teetering‏ @mykola 6 Jan 2019
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      So you could, or you could read the manic ravings of this guy who randomly messaged me on twitter. I found this subreddit of his and he sees the same thing I do, but approached it spiritually rather than technologically. https://www.reddit.com/r/Tao_of_Calculus/ … (cc @mathpunk)

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    3. myk is teetering‏ @mykola 6 Jan 2019
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      Replying to @mykola @peidran @mathpunk

      I do not have the brain for slogging through philosophy books, I've not read whitehead myself. For me it's all about deltas accumulating over time, and about functions being defined by their internals rather than from on high.

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    4. Peter Abrahamsen‏ @peidran 6 Jan 2019
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      Is that immanence?

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    5. myk is teetering‏ @mykola 6 Jan 2019
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      So, imagine reality as a vast field of deltas - the universe is a giant, append-only stream of deltas accruing since the big bang, each representing some change in the state of the universe. You could choose to reduce those deltas down to a lossy representation of you, right?

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    6. myk is teetering‏ @mykola 6 Jan 2019
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      But you would be taking a tiny fraction of the total set of deltas. Most of what 'you' are can be defined without reference to some delta in the position of an electron in another galaxy.

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    7. myk is teetering‏ @mykola 6 Jan 2019
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      'Immanence' as I understand it is the reductive view of 'you' at some time. It's a slice out of time and space, a tiny set of the total deltas. 'Transcendence' is just thinking about reality in terms of the whole set of deltas, rather than any semantically relevant subset.

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    8. myk is teetering‏ @mykola 6 Jan 2019
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      Whitehead's whole thing is: 'gosh, all of western philosophy acts like Immanence is the only thing that's real, but don't they see that the transcendent view is just as ontologically relevant? Or maybe moreso, even?' @moonandserpent chime in if I'm being reductive!

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    9. radical al-Jabraist‏ @mathpunk 7 Jan 2019
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      So, 1. Thanks to y'all for bein' all smart and stuff in my mentions, and 2. One non-philosophy route to process philosophy is writing Clojure. I think that's why I was able to understand some of Myk's ideas when we met https://github.com/matthiasn/talk-transcripts/blob/master/Hickey_Rich/AreWeThereYet.md …

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    10. myk is teetering‏ @mykola 7 Jan 2019
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      this talk is great, thanks for linking it. this feels like retroactive validation from one of the sharpest minds in CS so I feel like I'm onto something, though I really diverge from some of his models!

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      Peter Abrahamsen‏ @peidran 7 Jan 2019
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      Thanks, if I saw this before I'd forgotten. It's nice to see how widely accepted many of these ideas are, nine years on. I'm also glad to see major software initiatives coming from people capable of talking about them philosophically.

      4:31 PM - 7 Jan 2019 from Seattle, WA
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        2. Peter Abrahamsen‏ @peidran 7 Jan 2019
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          One of the purposes of the thing I'm working on now is to find a viable model of computation that moves beyond the single point of view. Philosophically, relativistic and constructivist. Technically, exploring distributed computing and collaboratively constructed representations.

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        3. myk is teetering‏ @mykola 7 Jan 2019
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          Oh gosh hello that’s sorta what I’m building too. CRDT deltas all the way down, any set of deltas can be reduced into a stateful snapshot (constructivist), different users can see different deltas so its relativistic.

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        1. myk is teetering‏ @mykola 7 Jan 2019
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          I think I just couldn’t have really understood this before. It’s amazing how sometimes it takes a decade of thinking to revisit something and find amazing value in it!

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