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"My vegetable love should grow / Vaster than empires and more slow." http://pronoun.is/he?or=they 

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    1. Peter Abrahamsen‏ @peidran 6 Jan 2019
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      Well I guess I have to read Whitehead now.

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    2. myk is teetering‏ @mykola 6 Jan 2019
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      So you could, or you could read the manic ravings of this guy who randomly messaged me on twitter. I found this subreddit of his and he sees the same thing I do, but approached it spiritually rather than technologically. https://www.reddit.com/r/Tao_of_Calculus/ … (cc @mathpunk)

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    3. myk is teetering‏ @mykola 6 Jan 2019
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      Replying to @mykola @peidran @mathpunk

      I do not have the brain for slogging through philosophy books, I've not read whitehead myself. For me it's all about deltas accumulating over time, and about functions being defined by their internals rather than from on high.

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    4. Peter Abrahamsen‏ @peidran 6 Jan 2019
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      Is that immanence?

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    5. myk is teetering‏ @mykola 6 Jan 2019
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      So, imagine reality as a vast field of deltas - the universe is a giant, append-only stream of deltas accruing since the big bang, each representing some change in the state of the universe. You could choose to reduce those deltas down to a lossy representation of you, right?

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    6. myk is teetering‏ @mykola 6 Jan 2019
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      But you would be taking a tiny fraction of the total set of deltas. Most of what 'you' are can be defined without reference to some delta in the position of an electron in another galaxy.

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    7. myk is teetering‏ @mykola 6 Jan 2019
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      'Immanence' as I understand it is the reductive view of 'you' at some time. It's a slice out of time and space, a tiny set of the total deltas. 'Transcendence' is just thinking about reality in terms of the whole set of deltas, rather than any semantically relevant subset.

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    8. myk is teetering‏ @mykola 6 Jan 2019
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      Whitehead's whole thing is: 'gosh, all of western philosophy acts like Immanence is the only thing that's real, but don't they see that the transcendent view is just as ontologically relevant? Or maybe moreso, even?' @moonandserpent chime in if I'm being reductive!

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    9. myk is teetering‏ @mykola 6 Jan 2019
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      Aha I just thought of a great example. What if you found all of twitter's tweet data in an archive, but no user account data? You could still mostly re-derive that user data by analyzing mentions and authors in the tweet data, right? The process gives rise to the object.

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      Peter Abrahamsen‏ @peidran 6 Jan 2019
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      I’m not sure what transcendence means to an atheist and materialist. There is no archive of events, there’s just what we encounter, and a network or causes.

      2:28 PM - 6 Jan 2019
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        2. Peter Abrahamsen‏ @peidran 6 Jan 2019
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          Replying to @peidran @mykola @mathpunk

          I’m well out of my depth here, most of what I know comes from a single reading of a piece by fucktheory on immanence per Deleuze and Spinoza

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        3. myk is teetering‏ @mykola 6 Jan 2019
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          I really liked the introduction here: https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/process-philosophy/ …

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        1. myk is teetering‏ @mykola 6 Jan 2019
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          Sure but it's all conceptual anyway, right? Transcendence is just, 'rather than focusing on this event I encountered, I'll focus on the implicit network of causes and effects that this event suggests must exist'. That perspective is a different domain with its own questions.

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