Nathaniel Chapman
Dakeshisb
@pedrothedagger Thing is, our utility is so situational come WoD compared to dps with raid cooldowns. If there's magic dmg to be soaked...
@Dakeshii We don't like letting you use BoP to eliminate a tank swap. But we might and even expect it on other Mythic mechanics now.
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@Dakeshii@Celestalon And, for better or worse, orcs with big spikes, axes, etc. tend to do a bunch of physical damage ;) -
@pedrothedagger 2... you could simply bring a mage, soak+raid CD and bench the ret. This is assuming dps balance is somewhat similar to MoP. -
@pedrothedagger@Celestalon Assuming fixate-ish mechanic? What prevents CC/Kiting? -
@pedrothedagger@Celestalon Also, tank debuffs from messing up active mitigation on certain fights. Able to remove debuff with BoP or not? -
@Dakeshii Right, but BoP has it's own advantages, including the huge advantage of being able to BoP someone else. Freedom's also v good. -
@Dakeshii@Celestalon Not any specific mechanic in mind here - just saying, Physical damage will not be rare this expansion. -
@pedrothedagger 1: I agree freedom is very good, but current/previous raid encounters has had little use of it. Spoils is one of the few... -
@pedrothedagger 2.. but that brings an issue I mentioned to@Celestalon prevoiusly. Sharing everything with Prot/Holy can be hurtful for Ret -
@Dakeshii yes - among other things, mythic gives us freedom (ha) to let you Freedom off things w/o worrying about the 10H group w/o pally. -
@Dakeshii@Celestalon If you can use BoP in a way that negates tank swap, we prob. won't let you... -
@pedrothedagger It's a tricky situation since more than 1-2 debuffs=windwalk totem/stampeding roar > freedoms unless they come in waves. -
@Dakeshii@Celestalon ... but if you can delay it (e.g. you can delay swap on Blackfuse with magic DR/Cooldowns) with BoP, that's more ok. -
@pedrothedagger@Celestalon Was thinking in case of messing up. Since some tank debuffs only apply if no active mitigation is used by tank. -
@pedrothedagger@Celestalon I guess a no-duration debuff on the tank is a very good example. BoP=1 less stack of debuff but doesnt remove. -
@Dakeshii@Celestalon That's a valid point. I still think, compared to most other DPSes, the utiltiy of another BoP/Freedom is pretty nice! -
@Dakeshii@Celestalon But it's good feedback and worth considering. -
@pedrothedagger@Celestalon The biggest issue isn't as much the utility itself but being shared with prot/holy. 20 spots and 34 specs... -
@pedrothedagger@Celestalon 2... makes us all compete and people usually use whats best. + ret dps in the past has been average, not v.good. -
@pedrothedagger@Dakeshii how do you guys (Blizz) generally feel about spec specific glyphs that alter utility? Good, bad, unnecessary?
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