Id' love to, I'd love to compare circumcision in a US hospital to FGM in a singapore clinic, I am honestly willing to bet the male rate is worse. I'd love to compare Somalian FGM III with say Xhosa circumcision or aboriginal subincicsion complication rates, they'd be pretty close
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What I don't want to do is what the anti FGM campaign is always doing, which is crossing those two, comparing only FGM III with US hospital circumcision. I have no problem with being against FGM, what I have a problem with is her effectively supporting male cutting while doing it
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Replying to @ReyosB @peaceniky
Well you’ll have to address that with
@peaceniky who wanted to go there. I’m genuinely interested to learn of your activities campaigning against male circ and the success you’ve had so far as a result of those activities?2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes -
Replying to @Northernbutnice @ReyosB
I know for a fact that i have changed the minds of 5 people. Who knows how many more. I aldo know that when i started 15 years ago it seemed like I was alone. Not virtually everyone i know is against circumcision. And those who still promote it sound more snd more like fools
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Replying to @peaceniky @ReyosB
That’s great, and do you genuinely believe the obstacle to banning male circ are anti-FGM campaigners, or do you think it’s the ingrained cultural and religious values? You’re always going to have more difficulty with male circ due to the religious aspect, FGM mostly cultural.
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Replying to @Northernbutnice @peaceniky
I don't believe all anti-FGM campaigners are an obstacle, though I would prefer to see it all wrapped into one campaign against child genital mutilation, male, female or intersex. I do believe THIS anti FGM campaigner however is definitely an obstacle, we're talking about Nimco.
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Replying to @ReyosB @peaceniky
Well it seems we have come full circle, because as I stared right at the beginning of this exchange, I believe they are different, biologically and culturally, and therefore for either one to succeed, two separate battles need to be fought.
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Replying to @Northernbutnice @peaceniky
Yes, because we start with that different premise, because the evidence shows the cultural motives tend to be the same within the cultures that do both. And the biology is not as different as you insist, even Nimco admits they start out the same (though it's the vulva not clit)pic.twitter.com/mVGKRe5Iso
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Replying to @ReyosB @peaceniky
I’m not going over the same ground. Rates of male circ in US - high, rates of FGM non-existent. They start out the same, but they are different, although the anatomy is comparable e.g. the glans with the clitoris. FGM - clitoris removed. Male circ - glans not.
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Replying to @Northernbutnice @ReyosB
The clitoris is a small hard to differentiate structure the penis is not. Is the frenulum, which is normally attached to the glans part of the glans or not? Is it ok to remove this structure from the clitoris, despite being so small as to be virtually unnoticable?
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Here is a very large clitoris, in which you can see what is the frenulum on men, (an extremely sensitive part) and a part i would also say is highly sensitive on the clit. This is removed during circ. Is it part of the glans in men or not?pic.twitter.com/prZ1cdjEOc
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Replying to @peaceniky @ReyosB
No. If FGM was removal of the clitoral hood I would not be arguing that it is different, unfortunately most of the time the clitoris is removed, male circ does not involve removal of the glans. And that’s just type 1. Type 3/4 are not even remotely comparable.
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