Up until relatively recently in human history, we still had religious child sacrifice (eg Aztecs, Mayans); if the 'religious freedom' advocates are to be believed, then if people start practicing these religions again, "What next? Telling Aztecs they can't sacrifice their kids?"
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Replying to @GenIntact @ChooseIntact
I.e. we'd have to allow Aztecs to sacrifice kids. Ethically, my view is: 1. "Religious freedom" ends when it harms kids 2. Religions in violation must find ways to adapt Seems wrong to draw arbitrary lines to accommodate happen-to-be-common-today mass-genital-cutting religions
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Pragmatically, in goals w.r.t. a ban, we may have to compromise between 'ethical' & pragmatic/legal goals - e.g. in the US if(?) a 'ban with exemption' is much easier to pass & more likely to pass sooner it may be good to grab it - a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
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A law with a religious exemption would be a step backwards from where we are. Circumcision rates wouldn’t budge, as parents would claim the exemption, regardless of their real reason. And it would entrench disregard for the law. (Which is already true. Circumcision is battery.)
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That’s a big ask, and one I don’t think would be in any bill capable of passing.
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Why would doctors be forbidden from doing it, in our current reality? Would that happen? And, even assuming the religious exemption works to limit the numbers, wouldn’t doctors and/or parents just be able to say “non-retractable”/“phimosis” as a diagnosis? Culture is too strong.
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'Culture' is not as strong as you think; in places like Australia & South Korea circumcision rates dropped from 80+% to very low. & it wasn't even banned. I don't think doctors will push it as hard if they have to commit fraud/malpractice for every circumcision.
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I agree. But in south korea at least, there was never a culture of genital cutting. It was introduced by the US, and now that their cultural influence has waned there is no other embedded cultural group to placate. And so rates have dropped
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In the US there also didn't exist a general culture of genital cutting until only about a hundred years ago.
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Yes but the US is different from south korea in that its a mixture of many cultures. The US has a substantial number of jews with strong ties to this ritual, i’m sure that helps to normalize it
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