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    Patrick Walton‏ @pcwalton Jun 3

    Hot take: Every time a developer sees "<optimized out>" in the debugger, that should be considered a bug in the toolchain and fixed.

    4:04 PM - 3 Jun 2021
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      2. Jed Davis  🏳️‍🌈‏ @xlerb Jun 3
        Replying to @pcwalton

        I'd be happy with just getting <optimized out>, instead of actively wrong results. One of these days I'll get around to seeing if GCC is significantly less bad than Clang about that….

        1 reply 0 retweets 10 likes
      3. Patrick Walton‏ @pcwalton Jun 3
        Replying to @xlerb

        Or "use of undeclared identifier" when an identifier is clearly in scope, which I'm getting now…

        1 reply 0 retweets 3 likes
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      2. Saagar Jha‏ @_saagarjha Jun 3
        Replying to @pcwalton

        What should happen in instances where the variable is actually optimized out? I understand that a lot of this is just lazy and/or incorrect DWARF but in some cases variables just no longer exist, if the compiler replaced a loop with its closed form for example.

        2 replies 0 retweets 6 likes
      3. Robert O'Callahan‏ @rocallahan Jun 3
        Replying to @_saagarjha @pcwalton

        You can generate a DWARF expression for the variable that says what the value is in terms of other variables.

        2 replies 0 retweets 5 likes
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      2. Robert O'Callahan‏ @rocallahan Jun 3
        Replying to @pcwalton @khuey_

        How is this a hot take? It's the only possible take

        1 reply 0 retweets 17 likes
      3. Saagar Jha‏ @_saagarjha Jun 3
        Replying to @rocallahan @pcwalton @khuey_

        I assume the opposing take is “it’s too hard or this is impossible so we shouldn’t do anything”

        1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
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      2. Rich Felker‏ @RichFelker Jun 3
        Replying to @pcwalton

        I think some of them are actually legitimate, where the potential visibility of the value (at least one its own, not as part of common subexpressions) has ended. But most are toolchain bugs where the value is clearly used again and can't be discarded.

        1 reply 0 retweets 4 likes
      3. Patrick Walton‏ @pcwalton Jun 3
        Replying to @RichFelker

        But even if the value is no longer live, you could rematerialize it from other live variables.

        1 reply 0 retweets 5 likes
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      2. Christopher Friedt‏ @cfriedt Jun 3
        Replying to @pcwalton

        If that still appears with -O0 -g, then it most certainly is a toolchain bug.

        1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
      3. Patrick Walton‏ @pcwalton Jun 3
        Replying to @cfriedt

        It should work even at -O2. :)

        1 reply 0 retweets 7 likes
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