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    1. Sam Grace Sneddon  🏳️‍🌈 (they/them)‏ @gsnedders Feb 17
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      Google representatives disagreeing with one-another is the _smallest_ problem here. The big problem is when someone from another vendor raises some objection to something Google is doing and gets dogpiled by 50 Googlers (in a WG of 100 people).

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      “Just hire more engineers” was the response to that from a Google Tech Lead at TPAC last year

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    4. Jeffrey Yasskin‏ @jyasskin Feb 17
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      Replying to @AutomatedTester @marionpdaly and

      "Devote more people to web standards" is, I think, a reasonable request to Mozilla and Apple, but we care about people who don't work for browser vendors too, and we shouldn't be drowning out their voices.

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    8. Sam Grace Sneddon  🏳️‍🌈 (they/them)‏ @gsnedders Feb 17
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      Replying to @marionpdaly @jyasskin and

      And, okay, Apple has money, but they clearly don't believe there's a business case to increase investment in Safari. Googlers endlessly shouting "well you would be able to respond to us better if you increase resources" doesn't help make that case.

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    9. Sam Grace Sneddon  🏳️‍🌈 (they/them)‏ @gsnedders Feb 17
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      Replying to @gsnedders @marionpdaly and

      At this point, when so many standards groups are so dominated by Googlers and when they so often shout over everyone else, it may be the rational business decision is to _withdraw_ from standards. What effect on their business is contributing to the W3C having?

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    10. Patrick Walton‏ @pcwalton Feb 17
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      I can attest to this. For what it’s worth I stopped participating in anything Houdini related because getting shouted down by Googlers wasn’t worth my time anymore.

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      Patrick Walton‏ @pcwalton Feb 17
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      Replying to @pcwalton @gsnedders and

      (Google’s response to my Houdini objections was to get me in a room with several other Googlers and nobody else and not listen to a word I had to say. I decided it was not worth my time after that.)

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        2. Sam Grace Sneddon  🏳️‍🌈 (they/them)‏ @gsnedders Feb 17
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          And it's not the only time something like that has happened: there have been a number of occasions where those of us outside of Google have been told, "but you could've engaged with us! raised these concerns!", yet every single time we try and engage it's just being spoken over.

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        3. Sam Grace Sneddon  🏳️‍🌈 (they/them)‏ @gsnedders Feb 17
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          Replying to @gsnedders @pcwalton and

          If Googlers want us to spend our time and energy (and typically our employer's time, which we have to make some justification for) to engage earlier as to whether these features are even fundamentally good ideas, we need to feel like we're actually going to be listened to.

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        1. Mark Goodwin‏ @mr_goodwin Feb 17
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          There's a name for behaviour like that, isn't there?

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        1. Rick Byers‏ @RickByers Feb 17
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          Very sorry to hear this, it's definitely not how we want standards engagement to work. I appreciate that with greater resources comes greater responsibility to always act with humility and respect. I'd appreciate if you could DM me some details of this so I could look into it.

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