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    1. Patrick Walton‏ @pcwalton 8 Oct 2019
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      Hot take: The idea that desktop apps need to be "native" is mostly a macOS thing. On Windows and Linux there hasn't been such a thing as a single "native" widget set for years.

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    2. Peter van Hardenberg‏ @pvh 8 Oct 2019
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      Not sure I buy this. In Linux-land there have always been a couple major UI paradigms (Gnome/KDE/TCL/Tk) and it's always much nicer to use one consistent with your other applications. Electron / web dominance on desktop has certainly degraded this argument.

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    3. Peter van Hardenberg‏ @pvh 8 Oct 2019
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      Windows, I will grant you, has always been a complex sedimentation of failed UX paradigms. I'm looking at you, Ribbon UI.

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    4. Ian McKellar‏ @ian 8 Oct 2019
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      It's been bullshit on macOS forever too. OSX shipped with two entirely independent implementations of their UI widgets: Cocoa & Carbon. The idea of "native" UI being "better" is rooted in a fundamental misunderstanding of how computers work.

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    5. Will Rosecrans‏ @forkazoo 8 Oct 2019
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      The average user couldn't easily tell whether something was using Carbon or Cocoa API's, regardless of the underlying implementation. Apps using either generally had consistent UX, compatible clipboards, etc.

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      Patrick Walton‏ @pcwalton 8 Oct 2019
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      Well, I could easily tell back in those days. Carbon text rendering was a dead giveaway…

      4:10 PM - 8 Oct 2019
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        1. Peter van Hardenberg‏ @pvh 8 Oct 2019
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          FWIW I do agree with you here. Folks may not be able to explain how they know what's wrong but they can always feel it.

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