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    1. Patrick Walton‏ @pcwalton 7 Oct 2019
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      Idea: The “left-pad index”, a score for Rust crates that combines small size with popularity. The goal would be to find potential candidates for additions to the standard library, or at least merging into larger crates.

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    2. Siân Griffin  🏳️‍⚧️‏ @sgrif 7 Oct 2019
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      On the other hand the registry is immutible, so perhaps we should just embrace not needing everything in std?

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    3. Tony “Abolish ICE” Arcieri  🦀‏ @bascule 7 Oct 2019
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      That's great until you get append-only malware

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    4. Patrick Walton‏ @pcwalton 7 Oct 2019
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      Yeah, I’m wary of making std bigger myself. We already have stuff in the stdlib that’s widely disliked (MPSC channels).

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    5. Patrick Walton‏ @pcwalton 7 Oct 2019
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      I’m not sure what the solution is here. People don’t seem to like lots of tiny crates and people also don’t like big standard libraries. People talk about Go’s standard library as the gold standard but I don’t really agree; there’s plenty of junk in there too (container/).

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    6. Tony “Abolish ICE” Arcieri  🦀‏ @bascule 7 Oct 2019
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      It's a tradeoff: "batteries included" standard libraries are nice in that an official distribution generally has a more secure software supply chain, ideally stretching all the way to distribution releases... In absence of that, I think frameworks help:https://iqlusion.blog/introducing-abscissa-rust-application-framework …

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      Patrick Walton‏ @pcwalton 7 Oct 2019
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      At the cost of fewer people using the standard library. no_std is getting more and more popular because people *already* think the standard library is bloated. If Rust gets a reputation for having a bloated stdlib that threatens its claim to being a systems language.

      7:47 PM - 7 Oct 2019
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        2. Patrick Walton‏ @pcwalton 7 Oct 2019
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          There are already projects out there that could, but don’t, allow use of the Rust standard library because of design disagreements. The bigger the stdlib gets, the more opportunities projects will have to object to various things.

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        3. Patrick Walton‏ @pcwalton 7 Oct 2019
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          But I don’t think this trumps all other concerns anymore: y’all have convinced me that keeping the number of trusted parties in a project small *is* good for security. So there is a tough tradeoff here.

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        2. Tony “Abolish ICE” Arcieri  🦀‏ @bascule 7 Oct 2019
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          Replying to @pcwalton @sgrif @yaahc_

          Absolutely! This is a common complaint with Go and its standard library. Here's a real-world example: shaving 4MB off the Wireguard release executable by avoiding Go's net/http: https://git.zx2c4.com/wireguard-windows/commit/?id=b1a33fd099fdcc25b0edba9c0e3f2ea9f8d0d9c4 …

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        3. John Ripley‏ @jhripley 7 Oct 2019
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          This is one of my big peeves about some standard libraries like this — pulling in a small function you need also pulls on megabytes of dependencies. I bet it needed a Unicode library. However, you can absolutely design APIs so this doesn’t happen.

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        1. Durchlass Kilometer 5,698‏ @emareaf 16 Oct 2019
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          Perhaps the stdlib should be offered in layers and let projects specify up to which layer they want to use it.

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