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    Patrick Walton‏ @pcwalton 21 Aug 2019
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    Would C# be a better language if WinForms were not in the standard library? Would Rust be a better language if GTK+ were in the standard library? If the answers to these questions are different, why?

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      2. gankra's gay‏ @Gankra_ 21 Aug 2019
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        ah yes the extremely reasonable comparison of a third party language to a first party language developed as the official interface for an OS (which some people still try to use outside that context)

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      3. Patrick Walton‏ @pcwalton 21 Aug 2019
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        It was an honest question! No need to be snarky. I don’t know the answer myself. And that’s a good point! The fact that C# was historically Windows-only, and developed by Microsoft, makes a big difference.

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      2. Andy Gocke‏ @andygocke 21 Aug 2019
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        WinForms isn't in the standard library in .NET Core...

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      3. Patrick Walton‏ @pcwalton 21 Aug 2019
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        Well, a lot of programs expect it to be present, so it’s kind of “de facto standard”. Point taken, though.

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      2. Rich Felker‏ @RichFelker 21 Aug 2019
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        GTK+ absolutely does not belong anywhere near any standard library. Especially not one for a memory-safe language unless someone plans to re-implement it from scratch in that language.

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      3. Patrick Walton‏ @pcwalton 21 Aug 2019
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        I also don’t know the answer to this question. I sort of feel that WinForms belongs in C# and GTK+ doesn’t belong in Rust because Windows has (historically) had a worse command line experience. But that seems like flimsy reasoning.

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      1. Jeff Waugh‏ @jdub 21 Aug 2019
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        Patrick are you procrastinating by starting fights on Twitter?

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      2. Domenic Denicola‏ @domenic 21 Aug 2019
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        I generally judge a language separately from its standard library (or in the C#/.NET case, its platform's standard library). So this question feels kind of off to me. If you rephrase to "would .NET be a better platform if" then I'm unsure what the Rust counterpart is...

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      3. Kelly Clowers‏ @Kelly_Clowers 21 Aug 2019
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        ☝️

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      2. James Brown‏ @Roguelazer 21 Aug 2019
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        Yes, No. cross platform GUI toolkits are inescapably a disaster from a UX perspective and programming languages oughtn't to be tied to one OS.

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      3. Michael‏ @michael90187356 22 Aug 2019
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        cross-platform are fine for CAD and 3D, where the platform toolkit basically provides no controls beyond menu bar and possibly preferences. this argument doesn’t hold up when folk have to use web apps for so many tasks. they are UX games inside the browser.

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