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    1. Patrick Walton‏ @pcwalton 7 Jul 2019
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      No, that has not been our experience at all. Try is more than clear and readable enough. I confess I have trouble understanding why the experience of Rust is so casually dismissed in these conversations.

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    2. Patrick Walton‏ @pcwalton 7 Jul 2019
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      Replying to @pcwalton @peterbourgon and

      It's like... we literally did an experiment to answer the question "does try reduce readability"? The results were clear.

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    3. ian molee‏ @ianfoo 8 Jul 2019
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      Mine is a loaded opinion (I agree with Peter), but I think drawing comparisons between Go and Rust's readability may not be effective. People who've used Go substantially are likely to think its readability is one of its best features, and it will be defended as such.

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    4. Ivo Georgiev‏ @Ivshti 8 Jul 2019
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      I agree, but we're yet to see a constructive and concrete example of when try reduces Go's readbility characteristics

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    5. ✕✕✕✕✕‏ @peterbourgon 8 Jul 2019
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      literally any example where try is used more than once per line. or when try and if err are mixed in the same function. if you don’t think that’s less readable then 🤷‍♀️ but it’s pretty clearly so to a lot of us. go isn’t rust, what works in one doesn’t necessarily translate

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    6. Patrick Walton‏ @pcwalton 8 Jul 2019
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      There is absolutely nothing wrong with using try more than once per line, or mixing try and if err. Nobody has ever had trouble understanding Rust code that used the equivalents to those features. And yes, our experiences do translate. Why wouldn’t they?

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    7. ✕✕✕✕✕‏ @peterbourgon 8 Jul 2019
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      Go programmers expect and value that escape analysis is trivial: scan for the return keyword. Other conventions of the language reinforce that: early returns and happy path indent alignment. Languages aren’t interchangeable. Expectations and idioms differ.

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    8. Patrick Walton‏ @pcwalton 8 Jul 2019
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      Replying to @peterbourgon @Ivshti and

      Same in Rust, before we added ?. Rust users “expected and valued” that returns could be visible by just seeing “return” or “try”. We saw people swear up and down that the language would be ruined when we added ?. Now everyone loves the feature.

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    9. Patrick Walton‏ @pcwalton 8 Jul 2019
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      Replying to @pcwalton @peterbourgon and

      Like I said, I’ve seen all this before.

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    10. ✕✕✕✕✕‏ @peterbourgon 8 Jul 2019
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      I do t know how else to tell you that you can’t just take a conclusion from one context/dataset and insist it applies equally to another 🤷‍♂️

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      Patrick Walton‏ @pcwalton 8 Jul 2019
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      Replying to @peterbourgon @Ivshti and

      Because nobody has given me a reason why the experiences should be different. All I’ve heard is that Go users care about readability more than Rust users, which is silly.

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        2. ian molee‏ @ianfoo 8 Jul 2019
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          It's clear enough to me that Go and Rust are solving different problems, just based on the language design/complexity/features themselves. This draws different user bases that place different priority on different things. I don't think it can be dismissed as easily as you think.

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        3. Patrick Walton‏ @pcwalton 8 Jul 2019
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          Replying to @ianfoo @peterbourgon and

          Read pretty much any RFC thread. Rust users care tremendously about readability.

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