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    1. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 14 Jun 2019
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      My personal view (not shared by others) is that V0 shipping precipitated others coming to the table to do V1, which we pursued through '15, culminating in Safari and Chrome shipping V1 impls in '16 (Safari was first to their dev channel, we were first to stable)

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    2. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 14 Jun 2019
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      Mozilla didn't ship a Web Components v1 impl until late '18:https://hacks.mozilla.org/2018/11/the-power-of-web-components/ …

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    3. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 14 Jun 2019
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      And legacy Edge never implemented v0 or v1, despite the constituent APIs being the most popular requests for many years: https://wpdev.uservoice.com/forums/257854-microsoft-edge-developer/filters/top …

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    4. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 14 Jun 2019
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      So mobile browsers got to ~full Web Components coverage in early '18 when UC switched to a modern Chromium. Desktop will pull into port when IE 11 is gone and Chromium-based Edge ships (imminently! hooray!): https://www.microsoftedgeinsider.com/en-us/ 

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    5. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 14 Jun 2019
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      There are lots of good outcomes from browsers finally agreeing a component model (even if it isn't perfect). For instance, Mozilla is re-doing their entire UI in Web Components: https://briangrinstead.com/blog/ 

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    6. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 14 Jun 2019
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      And massive organisations like Google and Salesforce are able to move their UIs off of warring stacks onto a common infrastructure. Google's components are currently transitioning (more than 10K of them!) at a rapid pace to v1.

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    7. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 14 Jun 2019
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      Moving big sites like YouTube over to V1 -- particularly after Mozilla sunk HTML Imports without a proposed replacement -- has taken time, but is also in-progress.

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    8. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 14 Jun 2019
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      And to the OP's original point, toasts occur in most GSuite (desktop) sites. We have many internal implementations of them *specifically for desktop*. It's unclear what quibbles @ManishEarth has with the research the team has done:https://github.com/jackbsteinberg/std-toast/tree/master/study-group …

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    9. Patrick Walton‏ @pcwalton 14 Jun 2019
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      It’s not hard. Don’t put Google-specific UI idioms in the Web.

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    10. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 14 Jun 2019
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      https://developer.apple.com/design/human-interface-guidelines/ios/views/action-sheets/ … https://github.com/devxoul/Toaster  https://www.cocoacontrols.com/controls/toast  https://material.io/develop/ios/components/snackbars/ … 🤷‍♂️

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      Patrick Walton‏ @pcwalton 14 Jun 2019
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      First one isn’t a toast. Second and third are unofficial attempts to port Android UI idioms to iOS. Fourth one is Google. You’re proving my point for me :)

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        2. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 14 Jun 2019
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          https://i0.wp.com/starkravingfinkle.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/native-api-toast-cropped.png …

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        3. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 14 Jun 2019
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          But the major point here is that the semantics of a potentially dismissable overlay is heavily used, both across desktop and mobile. Even by Mozilla.

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        1. BrendanEich‏Verified account @BrendanEich 14 Jun 2019
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          First one is _tu quoque_, except AFAIK Apple has not done it too (tried to put it in HTML). There's a dig at Apple here, for sure (they don't propose as much), but not only that dig.

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