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    Patrick Walton‏ @pcwalton 8 Jun 2019
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    One thing that’s been eye-opening to me is how much of so-called software “bloat” is really just correct internationalization. Complaints about binary size, etc. from English speakers who fail to understand this have ugly cultural overtones.

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      1. Ember  ✨‏ @StarForgedEmber 8 Jun 2019
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        this! but also, I have grown so tired of UI toolkits launching with no plan for internationalization. and the bolt-on solutions that come after launch are inefficient because they're fighting against the framework's paradigms. toolkit authors have a responsibility to do better

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      2. whitequark‏ @whitequark 8 Jun 2019
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        one thing I haven't figured out how to resolve is that moving from Unifont to Noto as the built-in font in SolveSpace would increase the binary size by a factor of 20. it would be less of a problem if that wasn't one of the selling points of SolveSpace.

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        I think the underlying problem here though is "Noto sucks" because we already have a vector font with substantial CJK coverage and it's not 120 MB in size, but it's still a problem I don't know how to easily solve.

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      2. Khaled Hosny‏ @KhaledGhetas 8 Jun 2019
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        Or developers who only know European languages refusing to accept internationalization patches because it adds more dependencies or increases the binary size.

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      3. Anthony Ramine‏ @nokusu 10 Jun 2019
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        Most European languages don't fit ASCII though.

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      2. Hillel‏ @hillelogram 8 Jun 2019
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        Is there good stats on this? Would be interested in learning more

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      3. Dugan Chen‏ @duganchen 8 Jun 2019
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        The internationalization support for KDE is so large that Slackware has a separate packaging category for it.

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      2. Nicholas Nethercote‏ @nnethercote 8 Jun 2019
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        IME when people say "bloat" they usually mean "features I don't use"

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      3. David Sweeris‏ @TheOtherDaveS 8 Jun 2019
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        “Don’t use” or “don’t want”? Does all telemetry code take up a lot of space (either directly via increased executable size or indirectly via data files)?

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      1. Paolo G. Giarrusso‏ @Blaisorblade 8 Jun 2019
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        If there's good reason to care about binary size (which... not sure?), couldn't one just split language packs from binaries and get both?

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