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    1. Patrick Walton‏ @pcwalton 7 May 2019
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      Fun fact: Most software isn’t written in C or C++. (I’m consistently amazed by the fact that this is news to a lot of people…)

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    2. Rich Felker‏ @RichFelker 7 May 2019
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      It really depends on what you're counting. Obviously true if you count the astronomical amount of junk on Apple and Play stores, or web apps (server or client side components). But...

      2 replies 0 retweets 14 likes
    3. Rich Felker‏ @RichFelker 7 May 2019
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      Pretty much everything I use regularly is written in C or C++ (now plus Rust in Firefox). Desktop apps written in Python or JS (Electron) are just unusably slow and awful.

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    4. whitequark‏ @whitequark 7 May 2019
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      I've been writing soft-realtime and high-throughput code in Python for a while & that makes me wonder what's the actual problem with writing good desktop apps in Python. I mean, I haven't used any, sure.

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    5. Rich Felker‏ @RichFelker 7 May 2019
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      I'm not sure. But all the ones I've tried have like 750+ ms UI latency. Probably more a matter of the awful toolkits ppl are using than the actual language.

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    6. Patrick Walton‏ @pcwalton 7 May 2019
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      Replying to @RichFelker @whitequark

      Yeah, COM and GObject are so heavyweight that the language runtimes are probably not that significant by comparison in many cases.

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      Patrick Walton‏ @pcwalton 7 May 2019
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      Replying to @pcwalton @RichFelker @whitequark

      I mean, a large part of the purpose of COM was to put C++ and VB6 on equal footing, by moving the language’s object model into the library itself. On Mac, Cocoa/Objective-C/Core Foundation had different motivations but the effect is the same. GObject was just copying COM.

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        2. Rich Felker‏ @RichFelker 7 May 2019
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          OOP is a mistake that should have been over decades ago, and pushing it into RPC/FFI was an even bigger mistake.

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        3. Patrick Walton‏ @pcwalton 7 May 2019
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          Replying to @RichFelker @whitequark

          To be fair COM doesn’t really have inheritance in the traditional sense, though it has plenty of other problems.

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