I'm using "Better is better" rhetoric. Obviously we would rather have had a Turing-incomplete language for 3rd party scripts, perhaps even more restricted -- CSS atop HTML these days is TC, IIRC. For 1st parties, sandboxed JS is good until the 1st party gets infected/goes rogue.
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Dorothy Denning 1999 award speech (https://faculty.nps.edu/dedennin/publications/National%20Computer%20Systems%20Security%20Award%20Speech.htm …): "Technology was moving way too fast. Customers wanted the latest systems. They wanted Windows. They wanted to hook up to the Internet. Systems with security flaws were going out the door, and customers gobbled them up."pic.twitter.com/HAtmolbKN6
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Replying to @BrendanEich @realbenaston
Sure. I’m not saying I don’t know how it happened. Just not going to sugar coat the outcome: it’s a technical mess, 10mb pages of weird custom scrollbars and malware, and that mess puts its most prized virtues — as an infosystem — at significant risk.
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And yet, it's the abuse of the infosystem (sans code) that may yet be the thing that kills us all, while we're all busy arguing about the merits of scrollbars.
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Fair too. Probably I’m 75% angry about the fact that all this happened during a period of regulatory minimalism and starved public investment and I’m just shouting my disappointments of market failures in general at JS & web tech.
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Replying to @graydon_pub @humphd and
I do remember that much of the quality web was done with static pages and/or CGI+forms tho. I think nothing really screamed “needs JS” until gmaps, which could easily be its own desktop program. Anyone can see it’s worth installing.
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Replying to @graydon_pub @humphd and
Which means that, in practice, it would have been a big pile of Petzold-style Win32 code we’d be dependent on to this day. How would that have been an improvement?
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Replying to @BrendanEich @graydon_pub and
Right! My opinion: The Web is the worst popular UI platform out there, except for all the others. (Maybe with the exception of Cocoa/Cocoa Touch with Swift, but that’s wedded to Apple so can’t be an industry wide solution.)
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I’m hardly a fan of all the new trends: I’ve always been deeply skeptical of React, for instance. But I actually like the “plain old Web apps” dev experience, especially with TypeScript to make JS nicer/more scalable.
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Replying to @realbenastonnn @realbenaston and
React popularized vdom diffing which helped kill demand for Object.observe, I will give it that!
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